5.3 lock survival nerf battle fatigue -20%

90 Undead Warlock
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In 5.3 battle fatigue is going to nerf our survival cooldowns by 20%, this includes sacrificial pact, twilight ward, darkregen , healthstone and embertap.

My question is are warlocks going to receive compensation for such a huge nerf, perhaps allow warlock heals to scale with pvp power like healers?
Edited by Hocuspocus on 3/29/2013 8:34 AM PDT
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90 Human Warlock
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They didn't blink an eye about compensating Siphon Life when they nerfed Corruption by 25% to adress issues completely unrelated to Siphon Life, don't see why they would get all compensationy now.

I dont think Bliz wants warlocks to have decent self healing anymore. Wich kind of sucks cuz they are all still very gung-ho for making us pay health costs that no other class has to deal with. But in their world, as long as top tier PVE raid dps is balanced, that's all that really matters to them anymore.
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1 Human Warlock
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You can slice it however you want, this is what it is.

Fair:

Healers - Healing benefits from 50% of PVP Power
DPS - Self Healing/Healing benefits from 25% of PVP power

Unfair:

Healers - Healing benefits from 50% of PVP Power
Hybrid DPS - Healing benefits from 25% of PVP power
Pure DPS - Self-healing not modified by PVP Power
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90 Night Elf Mage
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Welcome to the mage world. You will basically be a mage that can cast fear and shoot green fire. But at least you will still have some decent self heals, not as OP as they are now but will still be decent.
Edited by Prison on 3/29/2013 3:31 PM PDT
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90 Orc Shaman
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Fair:

Healers - Healing benefits from 50% of PVP Power
DPS - Self Healing/Healing benefits from 25% of PVP power

Unfair:

Healers - Healing benefits from 50% of PVP Power
Hybrid DPS - Healing benefits from 25% of PVP power
Pure DPS - Self-healing not modified by PVP Power


pretty much.... Blizz should really give pure's some self-healing modifier..
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90 Night Elf Mage
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Fair:

Healers - Healing benefits from 50% of PVP Power
DPS - Self Healing/Healing benefits from 25% of PVP power

Unfair:

Healers - Healing benefits from 50% of PVP Power
Hybrid DPS - Healing benefits from 25% of PVP power
Pure DPS - Self-healing not modified by PVP Power


pretty much.... Blizz should really give pure's some self-healing modifier..


Ummm that is a horrible idea. Why would you give pure DPS more powerful self heals scaled off of PVP power? so you do what stack PVP power gems to do more damage and have greater self heals? vs stacking resil to do lower damage and lower self heals?? geee that sounds like a no brainer on what to pick. Almost every DPS class/spec already has OP self heals as it it.
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1 Human Warlock
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03/29/2013 03:50 PMPosted by Prison
Why would you give pure DPS more powerful self heals scaled off of PVP power?


Ele/Boom/Shadow = DPS
How is it fair for them to have their heals benefit from 25% PVP power when other DPS get Zilch?

HP is a resource cost for warlocks. By increasing battle fatigue, you are unfairly subjecting one specific class to "uncalled for" nerfs. How is that fair? Alternately let Battle fatigue reduce the health costs just like how it reduces healing and then all is fair.
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90 Night Elf Mage
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03/29/2013 04:00 PMPosted by Vesperlynd
Why would you give pure DPS more powerful self heals scaled off of PVP power?


Ele/Boom/Shadow = DPS
How is it fair for them to have their heals benefit from 25% PVP power when other DPS get Zilch?

HP is a resource cost for warlocks. By increasing battle fatigue, you are unfairly subjecting one specific class to "uncalled for" nerfs. How is that fair? Alternately let Battle fatigue reduce the health costs just like how it reduces healing and then all is fair.


because they are hybrid classes and can heal others, warlocks are not a hybrid class even though it seems that way sometimes. Your survivability and heals are already through the roof in pvp as it is and should be nurfed.
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90 Goblin Warlock
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Welcome to the mage world. You will basically be a mage that can cast fear and shoot green fire. But at least you will still have some decent self heals, not as OP as they are now but will still be decent.


Hate to bring you to 2013, but lock self heals have been garbage for a good while now.
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90 Night Elf Mage
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and self heals across all classes are very unbalanced at this time. blizz focused so hard on trying to balance out DPS in PVP that they turned a cheek to the self heals catagory, and it got un balanced very quick.
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90 Night Elf Mage
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03/29/2013 04:16 PMPosted by Purebalance
Welcome to the mage world. You will basically be a mage that can cast fear and shoot green fire. But at least you will still have some decent self heals, not as OP as they are now but will still be decent.


Hate to bring you to 2013, but lock self heals have been garbage for a good while now.


LOL WHAT!! you must be doing something wrong then. out of every "pure" DPS class you are TOP in self heals.

Pure DPS classes
Warlocks
DKs. if he is in blood spec his self heals will be higher than warlocks (but HORRIBLE damage)
Hunters
Warriors
Rogues
Mages

Hybrid classes
Monks
Shamans
Priests
Paladins
Druids
Edited by Prison on 3/29/2013 4:31 PM PDT
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90 Goblin Warlock
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You must be talking about PVE on multitarget. In any PVP locks do not have some super self healing except for a 3 min cd spell from talents.
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90 Night Elf Mage
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You must be talking about PVE on multitarget. In any PVP locks do not have some super self healing except for a 3 min cd spell from talents.


like i said, you must be doing something wrong. did you not drag some of your spells from your spell book onto your screen? If you think that warlocks only have one heal spell with a 3 min CD you are doing something WAY wrong.
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90 Orc Shaman
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Ummm that is a horrible idea. Why would you give pure DPS more powerful self heals scaled off of PVP power? so you do what stack PVP power gems to do more damage and have greater self heals? vs stacking resil to do lower damage and lower self heals?? geee that sounds like a no brainer on what to pick. Almost every DPS class/spec already has OP self heals as it it.


i wouldnt give them more powerful... just enough scaling from pvp power just to maintain what it is now.
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1 Human Warlock
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because they are hybrid classes and can heal others, warlocks are not a hybrid class even though it seems that way sometimes. Your survivability and heals are already through the roof in pvp as it is and should be nurfed.


Are you advocating we give hybrids half the dmg pures get from PVP power? Because you know they are hybrids
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90 Blood Elf Warlock
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They can't ignore this issue any longer going into 5.3. Battle fatigue as a blanket debuff regardless of class has to go: there is far too great a disparity between survival methods (evasion, flat damage reduction, control are not affected; self-healing/shields are) for it to be the same for everyone, as well as only hybrids gaining a bonus that partially mitigates it from PVP power.
Edited by Kelvaren on 3/29/2013 6:13 PM PDT
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90 Undead Warlock
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They can't ignore this issue any longer going into 5.3. Battle fatigue as a blanket debuff regardless of class has to go: there is far too great a disparity between survival methods (evasion, flat damage reduction, control are not affected; self-healing/shields are) for it to be the same for everyone, as well as only hybrids gaining a bonus that partially mitigates it from PVP power.

Yeh this is basically my line of thinking, alot of people think warlock self healing is "unfair", but they are part of the warlock survival tool kit and are required to mitigate some of the health costs associated with our class, in mop they shifted alot of our passive mitigation into active mitigation and part of that is self healing, this needs to be addressed!.

If this goes live warlock survivability would effectively be nerfed by 50%, that's beyond ridiculous, maybe the developers need to just admit the new design was a failure and go back to the old tried and true passive mitigation of soulink.
Edited by Hocuspocus on 3/29/2013 9:29 PM PDT
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90 Undead Warlock
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@holinka In patch 5.3 warlock absorbs and healing are going to be affected by the buff to battle fatigue, will there be any compensation?

@Hocuswins Yes your healing will benefit from PvP Power like hybrids

Woot!
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90 Orc Shaman
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@holinka In patch 5.3 warlock absorbs and healing are going to be affected by the buff to battle fatigue, will there be any compensation?

@Hocuswins Yes your healing will benefit from PvP Power like hybrids

Woot!


was going to link that too.

so just bumping this i guess...
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1 Human Warlock
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its ok prism, u can get back at locks with triple shatters to their face
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