The Horde Rebellion (Warning: loooooong)

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Victory or Death: Why Garrosh Hellscream Should Have Been Embraced by the Horde All Along

As we gear up for the final (presumably) raid tier of Mists of Pandaria in 5.4, and the final showdown with Warchief Garrosh Hellscream, I feel it’s time to examine who he is, and argue that most of us have misunderstood him, finding a hotheaded tyrant in the place where a strong, honorable warrior who embodied the Horde actually stood. Though he was always intended to be a contentious character, until recent events, Garrosh had been an honorable orc, capable fighter, and impassioned leader, who has brought unparalleled success and glory to the Horde, while never having the true allegiance or support of his peers and allies.

Personal note: I play both Horde and Alliance, both at max level. I am fond of both factions from lore and gameplay perspectives. When I heard the rumors that Garrosh would be taking over leadership of the Horde, (back in the summer of 2008, before Cataclysm was announced) I was intrigued. When I started thinking about it more, I was excited. More excited than I was for Deathwing, Goblins, Worgen, or a revamped Azeroth. I deleted my high level warrior and rerolled as an orc (Race changes did not yet exist). That character became my main through the remainder of Wrath of the Lich King and all of Cataclysm. In this article, I hope to explain why.

The Story: Garrosh was introduced to the World of Warcraft as the child of Grom Hellscream, in Nagrand. He was a member of the Mag’har, the last remnants of the uncorrupted orc population. Garrosh spent his childhood as a sickly child, stricken with red pox, and was quarantined from the demonic corruption as a result. As a youth, he was sullen and lived in the shadow of—as well as the shame of—his father Grom, who led the Warsong clan and who was the first orc to drink of Mannoroth’s blood, sending his people down a long slide of corruption and warfare. Garrosh, expected to lead the Mag’har someday, believed he was doomed to fail and shame his people, and spent his days unable to function.

When the player arrives in Nagrand and does a series of quests, the Warchief of the time Thrall comes along to rouse Garrosh, and fill in the missing chapters of his father’s life. As told to Garrosh, his father Grom redeemed himself and his people by vanquishing Mannoroth and breaking the blood curse, giving his life in the process. This ignites a fire within Garrosh. He is filled with pride and renewed vigor, and Thrall convinces him to return to Orgrimmar with him.

Now, according to lore, Orgrimmar is a bustling capital city and is where most of the remaining orcs call home. As players, we often forget that the world contains many people that are not adventurers, epic heroes and heroines, and most of those orcs had never been to Outland or Nagrand in some time, if ever. So when a brown, uncorrupted orc, standing tall and proud, comes riding into town with the Warchief Thrall, the orcs took notice. This is where Garrosh, as a character, begins to take shape.

In order to understand Garrosh from this point forward, we must also examine Thrall, as the two are foils for one another. In Warcraft: Orcs and Humans, the primary conflict is between the crazed, demonic orcs from off-world Draenor, and the honorable, militant humans of Azeroth. In Warcraft II: Tides of Darkness and Warcraft II: Beyond the Dark Portal, this conflict is expanded upon by each side forming into a fleshed out faction. The Alliance gains dwarves, gnomes and High Elves, while the orcish Horde allies with ogres, trolls and goblins. To raise the stakes even further, in Warcraft III: Reign of Chaos, we see both factions needing to unite to face a common enemy: the Burning Legion. In Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne, we see an additional threat in The Scourge.

This is where a character like Thrall can shine. As an orc raised among humans—albeit under the thumb of a cruel slavemaster—he is able to humanize the orc race, and by extension, the entirety of the Horde. He is a peace seeking diplomat, gearing his people and his allies up for a war for survival, not conquest. With his level headedness, he is able to see the benefit of a temporary covenant with the Alliance, and finds a kindred spirit in Jaina Proudmoore, who, even at the cost of her father’s life, chooses to side with Thrall and his Horde to battle the demons of the Legion, along with the aid of the Night Elves.

When World of Warcraft began, four years after the victory against the Legion at Mt. Hyjal, and four years into a tenuous peace between Horde and Alliance, we had relative political stability. There were quests that had Alliance killing Horde, and Horde killing Alliance, but these were generally isolated skirmishes and not an outright declaration of war. A little odd, for a game called World of Warcraft. With Thrall on the throne, most Alliance players had no reason to hate the Warchief, other than an outstanding grudge here or there, or outright racism. That is, until the introduction of Battlegrounds.

When Thrall chose to settle Durotar as the new homeland for his people, he did so as an act of contrition for the demonic corruption. The orcs have always been a hardy race, and would survive in an arid wasteland like Durotar, but they would need to earn it. Most of their lumber would have to be taken from neighboring forests, such as Ashenvale or Azshara. This, of course, did not sit well with the Night Elves, now fully fledged members of the Alliance, who believed those woodlands to be sacred. Warsong Gulch represented in-game the struggle that would be a constant in that region and, among others throughout all of Azeroth, would serve to underscore that peace between the Alliance and Horde could never—and should never—be possible.

Back to Garrosh, as he transitioned to a life in Orgrimmar, he learned of the history of his people, from the First War to the present day. He learned that the humans enslaved the orcs when the curse wore off and they were fatigued and lethargic. He learned that Thrall was forced to compete as a gladiator for Aedelas Blackmoore. He learned that the Highborne’s lust for power led the Burning Legion to Azeroth 10,000 years ago, and split the continents apart. That the steward of Stormwind was duped by the daughter of Deathwing. That a noble human prince, under the tutelage of the paladin order, massacred his own people and grew into the Lich King. That the Draenei have joined forces with the Alliance. This knowledge bore a hole in Garrosh, and he filled it with hate and anger. The Alliance were his enemies, and again, peace was not possible.

During the lead up to the campaign in Northrend, Garrosh had risen to the office of advisor to the Warchief. Thrall wanted to play it safe and send scouts to Northrend, while Garrosh suggested a full assault. Thrall planned to meet with Jaina to find out how the Alliance was responding to the looming threat of the Lich King. While they deliberated, Garrosh challenged Thrall’s fortitude and honor, and they dueled in a Mak’Gora (traditionally a duel to the death, though under Thrall’s leadership, that stipulation was relaxed). During the fight, however, the Scourge attacked and the two orcs agreed to settle their argument at a later time. After fighting off the Scourge, Thrall agreed to send Garrosh to Northrend, as the Overlord of the Warsong Offensive, to deal with the Scourge. Thrall remained in Azeroth to attend to matters at home.

It is at this point that we get to see Garrosh excel at leadership. Varok Saurfang accompanied Garrosh to serve as an advisor. We see an exchange in Warsong Hold that illustrates Garrosh’s leadership style, which is bold, aggressive, and appears reckless, but in action, is actually quite effective and efficient. We also see Garrosh exhibit genuine inquisitiveness and respect towards Saurfang, as he tells of his firsthand experience under the blood curse, while cautioning Garrosh of the dangerous path that his hotheadedness and recklessness lead down.

For more: http://www.wowpedia.org/Garrosh_Hellscream#Dialogue_with_Saurfang

Back on Azeroth, however, Varimathras, the Nathrezim advisor to Lady Sylvanas, and secret (but also obvious) Burning Legion loyalist, had been concocting a plan alongside Apothecary Putress, under the nose of both Sylvanas and Thrall. This lead to the plague being developed and used on Horde, Alliance and Scourge alike at the Wrathgate, killing Varok Saurfang’s son Draenosh, as well as hundreds more. Thrall leads the charge into the Undercity to dispose of Varimathras, and sends his personal guard, the Kor’Kron, to keep watch over Sylvanas and the Forsaken for this major security breach.

When a council is called by the Kirin Tor to address Ulduar and the horrors that Brann Bronzebeard spoke of, Thrall and Garrosh arrive to meet with Rhonin. Garrosh suggests questioning Brann, suspicious of his enemy, while Thrall chastises him. Upon arriving, they are greeted with hostility and disdain by King Varian Wrynn, de facto leader of the Alliance. Garrosh returns the gesture in kind, and a fight breaks out, which Rhonin interrupts. We see Garrosh challenge Thrall’s leadership and courage, while Thrall mutters his disappointment with Garrosh, highlighting not a difference in leadership ability, but in philosophy. This particular scene is the most visible Garrosh has been up to this point, to the majority of players who do not read quest text or event text, and the lasting image is of Thrall shaming Garrosh for his aggression.

At the Argent Tournament, tensions between Garrosh and Varian escalate further, and the Horde issues a challenge to the Alliance at the Argent Coliseum, which was a tournament designed to select the greatest champions of either faction to face the Lich King alongside the Ashen Verdict.

For more: http://www.wowpedia.org/Argent_Tournament#Alliance_and_Horde_leadership

Garrosh leads the Horde presence in the assault on Icecrown Citadel. A notable moment is when players defeat Deathbringer Saurfang (the reanimated corpse of Draenosh Saurfang, now the Lich King’s greatest death knight), Varok Saurfang comes to collect the body for proper burial. He tells those around him, “Honor, young heroes….no matter how dire the battle, never forsake it.” The Lich King would later be defeated, and Garrosh would return home to Orgrimmar, having born witness to all manner of heroism, and having led the successful excursion to Northrend against the might of the Lich King.

Garrosh is welcomed by the Horde as a war hero. He returned triumphantly from what was arguably the greatest threat they’d ever faced. The people of Orgrimmar saw in this brown skinned, uncorrupted orc, this war hero, the best that their race could hope to be.

As Thrall senses the disturbance in the elements, he realizes he can no longer undertake the tasks required of Warchief. He resolves that he is needed elsewhere, to attempt to learn of this elemental unrest, and to try to heal what would become a gaping rift in Azeroth. He becomes restless as he deliberates possible successors. The seemingly ideal candidate would have been Draenosh, as he was young, honorable, capable and heroic in battle, but he fell to the Lich King at the Wrathgate and later to the assault on Icecrown Citadel after his unholy resurrection. His father, Varok, could handle the task, but he was too old, and resigned himself to keeping watch in Northrend.

Garrosh would be perfect, Thrall thought, if not for his hotheadedness, and reckless aggression, but he saw no other choice, and he made Garrosh the new Warchief of the Horde, under advice of Vol’jin, Cairne and Eitrigg. Cairne, Thrall’s Tauren kindred spirit and brother-in-arms, vehemently disagrees, seeing only the worst in Garrosh. Around this time, Durotar falls into a serious drought, as the elemental unrest intensifies. Threatened with the starvation of Horde children, a peace summit with the Night Elves is called, while Garrosh suggests taking whatever supplies they need (as they have done under Thrall's leadership in Warsong Gulch for years). The Night Elf and Tauren representatives are then brutally slaughtered at the negotiations, and Cairne believes Garrosh to be responsible, despite his denials.

With Thrall gone, Cairne’s distrust and dislike of Garrosh, combined with his belief that Garrosh committed or commissioned the murders of the druid peace summit, leads Cairne to challenge Garrosh to Mak’Gora. Garrosh agrees, under the condition that it be held under the old rules: to the death. Garrosh, while outclassed in the fight, defeats Cairne. Unbeknownst to Garrosh, his weapon was poisoned by Magatha Grimtotem, and Cairne dies of his wounds.
The peace summit massacre is discovered to be the workings of the Twilight’s Hammer, now in league with the Grimtotem clan, and they launch a revolt in Thunder Bluff in the middle of the night and take the city. Magatha requests Garrosh’s aid and allegiance, though having learned that she robbed him of the honor of a fair fight with Cairne, replies thusly:

Unto Elder Crone Magatha of the Grimtotem,
Acting Warchief of the Horde, Garrosh Hellscream,
Sends his most sincere wishes for a slow and painful death.


For more: http://www.wowpedia.org/Garrosh_Hellscream#Letter_to_Magatha_Grimtotem

Baine, the son of Cairne and rightful leader of the Tauren, forgives Garrosh for killing his father, as he was deceived and it was Cairne that issued the challenge in the first place. Garrosh lends his support to the remaining Thunder Bluff forces and they retake the city from the Grimtotem.

Thrall, meanwhile, is captured by the Alliance off-shore and is rescued by the goblins. Thrall invites the goblins to formally join the Horde, and appoints Trade Prince Gallywix as the leader, even though he robbed the entire nation of Kezan and left them for dead. Under Garrosh’s rule, however, the goblins are put to work renovating and rebuilding Orgrimmar after the elements caused considerable damage, fortifying it into a city stronghold.

Beyond the goblins and the Tauren, however, Garrosh has much worse luck with his allies. Despite having committed no dishonorable act, serving in the Northrend conflict and returning home as a war hero, Vol’jin openly defies Garrosh and threatens to murder him.

For more: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWz_3igKEao

Sylvanas, now with the valkyr at her disposal, is murdering the humans of Lordaeron and Gilneas to resurrect them against their will as Forsaken, further increasing her ranks, since her race cannot reproduce. Garrosh forbids this practice, as it is essentially identical to what the Lich King did, is unnatural and dishonorable, and outlaws her use of the plague. Sylvanas defies Garrosh behind his back and recruits more Forsaken through use of her valkyr, and also destroys Southshore with the plague.

Under Garrosh’s reign, the Horde gains significant territory in their escalating conflict with the Alliance. They recruit the long-rogue Dragonmaw Clan, and make amends with the Red Dragonflight for their transgressions in the Second War. In Stonetalon Mountains, rumors that the Alliance is preparing to unleash a powerful weapon against the Horde, Overlord Krom’gar leads a force to assemble a massive goblin bomb. After decrying new evidence that the Alliance did not have a weapon and the supposed threat was really an innocent band of druids, Krom’gar orders the attack anyway, slaughtering innocent Night Elves. When Garrosh learns of this, he executes Krom’gar, echoing the words of his mentor Varok Saurfang. “Honor, Krom’gar…no matter how dire the battle, never forsake it.”

All of this paints a picture of a well-meaning, bold and aggressive leader; a warrior who values strength and dominance over subtlety and diplomacy. These are traits very emblematic of the Horde as a faction, who are a diverse, savage-yet-honorable people. And still, throughout his reign as Warchief, the majority of the Horde player population has loathed Garrosh. His style and demeanor clashes with the beloved Thrall, but is no less honorable, and has yielded considerable results, throughout Northrend, Kalimdor, and the Eastern Kingdoms. And too, all of this without the full support of his cohorts, his allies.

Which brings us to the current expansion, Mists of Pandaria. With animosity from Varian Wrynn, battles fought in Night Elven lands, Wildhammer Dwarves fighting Dragonmaw orcs in the Twilight Highlands, etc., Garrosh has no reason to view the Alliance as potential allies, or even a neutral party. Next to the Night Elves of Ashenvale, the humans of Theramoore are the closest Alliance forces to Durotar. And so Garrosh does what a Warchief should do: he wages war. Unleashing a mana bomb on Theramoore, the Horde levels the city. In response, Jaina declares complete allegiance to the cause of the Alliance, and to the destruction of the Horde. Now at the helm of the once neutral Kirin Tor, the Sunreaver Blood Elves are exiled from Dalaran.

Garrosh also sends a Kor’Kron detachment to attempt to dispatch Vol’jin, who openly declared his intent to murder Garrosh months previous. The assassination attempt is thwarted, and Vol’jin alerts Thrall of the events. Thrall leads a force to the Echo Isles, and is dismayed that the Kor’Kron are standing guard and do not take orders from him. The same Kor’Kron whom Thrall sent to stand guard over Sylvanas after a major security issue in the Undercity. The same Kor’Kron that Thrall relinquished authority over. He proceeds to kill members of the lawful Horde forces, and Vol’jin, Baine and Lorthemar Theron plot an open rebellion against Garrosh, leading us to the upcoming 5.3 and 5.4 patches, the present day.

Let no one forget the Blood Oath of the Horde, as players in Northrend teach the Taunka when they are sworn in. Every member of the Horde has taken this vow:

Lok'tar ogar! Victory or death - it is these words that bind me to the Horde. For they are the most sacred and fundamental of truths to any warrior of the Horde.
I give my flesh and blood freely to the Warchief. I am the instrument of my Warchief's desire. I am a weapon of my Warchief's command.
From this moment until the end of days I live and die - FOR THE HORDE!


TL;DR – Thrall is a green-skinned human while Garrosh is the Horde personified. Vol’jin, Baine, Sylvanas and Lorthemar Theron are all traitors to the true Horde. There is no honor or nobility in this rebellion. May the shriek of Gorehowl accompany your bloody death in 5.4.
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Garrosh was tolerable until MoP. Even Vol'jin admitted that his temper drove him to rashness and that Garrosh was at least noble.

Once that Mana Bomb dropped, Garrosh was beyond redemption.

May Garrosh's black heart be pierced.

If you want to say Garrosh is the Horde personified, you would be right - The Horde was made as a demonic army meant to eradicate all life on Azeroth.

But the New Horde is not that, and has never been that. And Garrosh is spitting all over everything his father died for.
Edited by Pyronaptor on 3/31/2013 1:48 PM PDT
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What it all boils down to is nothing overly complicated. Ever since the age of enlightenment many societies have come to understand the fundamental concept that governments, and thus leaders, ultimately derive their authority from the will of the public. Garrosh's case is no different.

Consider, he was appointed as Warchief of the Horde, and believed that as such he is thus entitled by law to dictate the actions of all horde associates. This would at least be theoretically if not technically true, the office of Warchief is supposed to be that of supreme overlord. However, if the post-enlightenment principle of popular sovereignty means anything here, then Garrosh misunderstood the mandate of his office.

The trouble with Garrosh is that the whole "My word is law" thing, just don't work so well. Especially when you're not dealing with a homogeneous society but rather a pseudo-confederation of societies - each with their own collective and individual interests. So when Garrosh tries to pull rank in a manner which is neither respectful nor dignified, he alienates rather than inspires other horde members to go out of their way for him - office of warchief be damned.

This is ultimately what will bring Garrosh down. It would not have mattered if he opposed Sylvanas using the plague, or if he really had accidentally killed Cairne. The trouble is that he slandered the Forsaken's leader, as well as the nation-proper any chance he got. Likewise, throwing plenty of insults and injuries at the Tauren, trolls and blood elves. Establishing quite firmly at D.O. to Lor'Themar that Garrosh cared little to nothing about the lives of non-orcs.

So it should come as no surprise, that Garrosh was much better suited to lead the Orcs, as opposed to the horde. He lacked the leadership skills to macro-manage the various diverse elements of Horde society. Instead, he just didn't seem to care about non-orcish society, and this was his error. Because true, as Warchief he could technically do whatever he wanted. True, as warchief he could call anyone whatever he wanted. Yet, freedom of action does not mean freedom from consequence.

The consequences being that now Garrosh's power is waning and he finds himself increasingly isolated, soon his enemy will be at the door, and where a more beloved leader would call on his allies and subject to rise to his defense - to their defense - he'll find his friends and allies are now former thusly. Instead, rather than getting help, he'll get a nice big "go to hell". And it'd be well deserved.

Garrosh screwed things up for himself, just because you're the boss doesn't mean you can be a douche to people. When you're the top politician you have to play politics. In short, if Garrosh had only said please more often, thank you more often, and kept his big fat herp-derping mouth shut more often, his situation would probably be looking much better.
Edited by Sanctinius on 3/31/2013 12:38 AM PDT
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GgflscOmW8
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90 Troll Priest
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Garrosh is actively pursuing the destruction of essentially everything and everyone that isn't an Orc. That's all fine and dandy if you're an Orc and into that sort of thing, but the vast majority of Azeroth isn't.

It doesn't matter what his position is or how great of a leader he is, bottom line is he's pissed off essentially every race on Azeroth and alienated any allies he once had. He's done for, and only has himself to blame.
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Garrosh is actively pursuing the destruction of essentially everything and everyone that isn't an Orc. That's all fine and dandy if you're an Orc and into that sort of thing, but the vast majority of Azeroth isn't.

It doesn't matter what his position is or how great of a leader he is, bottom line is he's pissed off essentially every race on Azeroth and alienated any allies he once had. He's done for, and only has himself to blame.


The horde is a loosely alliance, It would have shattered in real world. I agree wit you. The blood elves would have went on there own and try to. Tuaren and troll might have made a pact. I really doubt if the blood elves would have help the undead after becoming the New lich king and orcs messed up.
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The way they wrote Garrosh, he had a fundamental flaw since 4.0 - his vision of the Horde is Orcs, Orcs everywhere, with Trolls, Taurens, and Goblins - at best - as slaves, and Forsaken and Blood Elves as distant thorns in his side - or buffers against the Alliance.

First time a Goblin character approaches him, he threatens to kill him for the impertinence of leaving the slum - and only backs down when you hand him a note from Thrall.

At least new Pandaren are taken seriously enough to get a trial by combat. Everybody else, though - thinly veiled contempt, if not outright hostility.
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90 Dwarf Monk
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Garrosh is a (poorly, this is blizzard after all) developed villain. He started as an acceptable nuisance at the start so that he was sympathetic when blizzard's rock-tied-to-stick storytelling got around to his demise in mop. Mop opens with his "moral event horizon" (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MoralEventHorizon as a special note, STOP USING THIS TROUPE BLIZZARD NOT EVERY BAD GUY HAS TO EAT KITTENS ALIVE)
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CUTE KITTENS
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90 Pandaren Monk
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BC = Waaaah Gramma Hordie is dying. Me sad and useless. Me no care about everything you've done to protect my village while I stand here crying. Oh my daddy released the Horde from the corruption? Rawr me big man now!

Wrath = You've (the player) just defeated Illidan and Kil'jaeden and now make your way to Northrend. You're greeted by this upstart pup who sniffs at you, "smells fear" and spits at you.

I didn't care for him in BC one way or the other. Come the very start of Wrath I hated him completely. How DARE he.

I find his character now in MoP to be all over the place. Particularly in the destruction of the bell event. All the things he's done up to then, and then he talks sanely and morally about honour, killing and murder etc. Someone who beleived those words wouldn't do what he's done and plans to do.
Edited by Majkusanagi on 3/31/2013 7:38 AM PDT
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i had sympathy for him due to his lore and he wasnt bad at the beginning but its gotten to the point where he really just needs to be stopped all he wants is to be the supreme commander of all and not the Horde. He's made the Horde into pretty much only being orcs and he hates the other races. i think thrall needs to be back in power i liked him. also looking forward to the Raid on Orgrimmar lol. cant wait to see how that will be for the alliance side if we join forces with the rest of the horde to assault orgrimmar.
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90 Blood Elf Mage
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STOP USING THIS TROUPE BLIZZARD NOT EVERY BAD GUY HAS TO EAT KITTENS ALIVE)


Congratulations on being able to identify common tropes, but you might want to read through things that you link first.

"Can lead to a Complete Monster, but crossing the Moral Event Horizon does not automatically imply a Complete Monster. The character can just be a bad person; the Moral Event Horizon is a black mark in their history that cannot be forgiven."

While Garrosh is now a "Complete Monster", very few other characters follow the same progression. The only other main characters I can think of that are similar to Garrosh in WoW are Kael'thas, Illidan, and Arthas, but they all had different motivations for what they did. Garrosh is just plain evil. He's not doing what he's doing for anyone else, he just hates anyone that isn't an orc.
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03/31/2013 07:47 AMPosted by Ulthuan
STOP USING THIS TROUPE BLIZZARD NOT EVERY BAD GUY HAS TO EAT KITTENS ALIVE)


Congratulations on being able to identify common tropes, but you might want to read through things that you link first.

"Can lead to a Complete Monster, but crossing the Moral Event Horizon does not automatically imply a Complete Monster. The character can just be a bad person; the Moral Event Horizon is a black mark in their history that cannot be forgiven."

While Garrosh is now a "Complete Monster", very few other characters follow the same progression. The only other main characters I can think of that are similar to Garrosh in WoW are Kael'thas, Illidan, and Arthas, but they all had different motivations for what they did. Garrosh is just plain evil. He's not doing what he's doing for anyone else, he just hates anyone that isn't an orc.


every single one of the damn big bads of the game is a complete monster, and they always have a ham-fisted MEH moment. Arthas = Slaying of Menethil (arguably uther instead), Illidan = consuming the skull of gul'dan Kael'thas = allegance with greater demons, betraying illidan.

The list goes on. every single big bad in wow lore is a MEH -> CM. Yes, the troupe does not mean always CM, but with blizzard? its always MEH -> CM. always.

Illidan was the one where maybe he could have outgrown this tired formula, but no, look at the illudari felsworn and their actions, and what the man condones.

Blizzard: OK GUEIS LETS MAKE A BAD GUY WHO USED TO BE GUD. HE DOES SOMETHING TTLY EVIL AND NOW IS A SUPER BAD GUY

the formula is getting tired, you have to agree, dude.

they even did it with Jaina proudmoore... like.. really? Jaina could have been the knight templar, and very convincing at it, but nooo she has to be a rage-powered murder machine.

Deathwnig was once a proud warden of earth, then the experiments happened...

like the only big bads they make that escape this are CMs from the start, the ctuhlhu rip off old gods.
Edited by Aladster on 3/31/2013 8:18 AM PDT
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90 Human Warrior
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GgflscOmW8


Made my day!! I'm ashamed at how many times I watched this!
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90 Undead Warrior
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Garosh is a prime example of why you can never trust Orcs. As much as they try and say "but the demonic taint made us do it" their continued quest to sate their bloodlust proves that is not the case. Not only that but the moment they come across a greater power to bend knee to in order to gain more power to unleash more chaos they will in a heartbeat. While Thrall may of formed the horde it would be better out without Orcs in charge, even better without Orcs in it at all. They are slaves to their primal natures and will betray all of Azeroth when given the chance. I would much rather not see them do to Azeroth as they did to Outland.
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90 Orc Shaman
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I don't think there were enough o's in long for that.
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90 Blood Elf Warlock
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GgflscOmW8


This killed me.
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90 Blood Elf Rogue
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I just see a lot of parallels between Garrosh and Arthas' story. Both started out noble, and were doing what they thought was best for their people, but went too far and became the very thing their people were fighting against.
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90 Human Hunter
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Let's see here...

TBC: Garrosh is a whiny little snot crying because life isn't being fair to him.

Wrath: Garrosh is, at best, a bumbling idiot who couldn't lead a horse to water.

Cata: Garrosh is a tin plated despot who couldn't care one whit about the races he's leading if they aren't orcs.

MoP: Yeah, nothing new here still the same ignorant warmonger from Cata, now he's just a bit more fanatical.

Nothing to respect and will be glad to put his head on a pike even on my horde toons.
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90 Undead Rogue
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Orcs are not blood thirsty, blood lusting, beserking mongoloids. They are intelligent Shamans, they are Proud Warriors, they are Adept Rogues and Steadfast Hunters. Garrosh is rageblind and bent on destroying everything that is not Orc or at the very least not Horde.

There is no Pride in that. That is Genocide, the very thing the Orcs of Azeroth stood against, the very thing Thrall saved them from, the very reason they live in a desert now. Garrosh throws heroes of the horde in to fires like they mean nothing to him, because they don't. He does not care about anything but himself and his status. At least when his Father was blood-hazed he was still a proud warrior that knew how to keep his own men alive as much as kill the enemy.

Garrosh is brash, brutish and slow. He has no dreams of the future, he only has dreams of instant gain. Sylvanas raises dead to extend her peoples chance at survival, Lor'themar attacks the newest threat to Azeroth to ensure he has a gambling chip in his peoples favor, Vol'jin hides to fight another day and Baine relents his anger over losing his father so his people may live in peace. They all look to the future while Garrosh is fixated on the next step and next step alone.

What part of Lok'tar Ogar do you not understand? Victory OR Death. Not Victory at the cost of death. Garrosh is leading us to early graves at the hands of whoever he dislikes the most, there is no honor in fighting for a warmonger. There is honor in protecting your brothers and sisters of war, there is honor in ensuring your people live another day. Thrall lead us to Honor and Glory. Garrosh turned us from that path. When his Genocidal reign is over, I do not know who will stand watch over the Horde, but make no mistake, they will be dispatched if they are narrow sighted and war crazed like Garrosh.

(That felt nerdy and good. Mmmmmmhm.)
Edited by Brackham on 3/31/2013 9:03 AM PDT
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