Druid healing PVE

22 Night Elf Druid
2545
Hello everyone,

I just started this toon yesterday and I must say I enjoy it very much. Love the HOT concept. I also leveled a Resto to 80 long time ago and did some raiding in WOTLK. My question is how are they doing now at a higher level? In Heroics and LFR or 10 mans? Are they viable? Do raid leaders take them often or pass them by? Any info or tips greatly appreciated!
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90 Blood Elf Paladin
7465
They're gonna look terrible on single target or weak aoe fights if there's a few paladins/disc priests in the group simply because those classes cause heavy absorbs and thus our hots will not actually be able to do anything. If you can predict where people will be when heavy damage occurs, 3 fully charged mushrooms, SM and wild growth(especially with soul of the forest) can put out a LOT of aoe healing.
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90 Night Elf Druid
15480
A well played resto druid is very strong.
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I'm no expert on Druid healing, but I can put out some very nice heals when the situation calls for it.
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90 Tauren Druid
8435
Resto Druid class is very skill dependent.
And even at higher levels a lot of fights will also depend on if you're paired with a strong Absorb class. At which point, you're better off using HoTW and throwing out dps for half the fight since all of your heals will be overheals/sniped.

But yeah a good druid is quite strong on those healing intensive fights where bubbles alone won't win the day.
Edited by Tonydanza on 4/6/2013 8:51 AM PDT
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22 Night Elf Druid
2545
Thanks for the help, folks! I think I'm going to stick with resto as I have enjoyed it so far. They change classes so often it seems like trying to base what you play on what will be good a month from doesn't work well lol
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90 Draenei Shaman
10225
Thanks for the help, folks! I think I'm going to stick with resto as I have enjoyed it so far. They change classes so often it seems like trying to base what you play on what will be good a month from doesn't work well lol


They did some pretty major over-hauls with this expansion with how the classes work and some are still feeling it. Others, like Holy Paladins have pretty much remained steady while some other classes have bounced around a lot.

Resto Druids just got buffed with this last past and are much stronger then they were before 5.2 They also provide some good utility and can excel in helping to heal movement heavy fights. The downside to them is that they still don't have as strong of burst healing as the other classes which does hurt them at times.

I do agree that from what I've seen when playing with Druids they do seem skill dependent. That being said, leveling up as a Resto Druid should give you a lot of practice in how your class works and learning how to use the toolkit well by the time you it max level.
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100 Night Elf Druid
16245
A well played resto druid is very strong.


Evidently not too many "well played" resto druids in this list

http://worldoflogs.com/rankings/players/Throne_of_Thunder/hps/

or this list

http://raidbots.com/dpsbot/Spec_Score/25N/100/14/60/default/#0000000000000000000000000000111111
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90 Tauren Druid
11295
Ermagerdd! Stick with it, druids are amazing. We have our ups and downs... hots get sniped, rejuvs be craaaazy, but at the end of the day there is nothing better than being a tree.
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90 Night Elf Priest
5045
04/08/2013 10:29 AMPosted by Tazor
A well played resto druid is very strong.


Evidently not too many "well played" resto druids in this list

http://worldoflogs.com/rankings/players/Throne_of_Thunder/hps/

or this list

http://raidbots.com/dpsbot/Spec_Score/25N/100/14/60/default/#0000000000000000000000000000111111


You can look at these OP, and you can see that the top bits of the population (a very small minority) are not always using Druids.

But you know what? If you enjoy druid healing, and you can take the time to be good at it, you're worth the world to a raid team.

Please don't let parses deter you from a completely viable and personally enjoyable healing spec.

^^o
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100 Tauren Druid
9715
You can look at these OP, and you can see that the top bits of the population (a very small minority) are not always using Druids.
But you know what? If you enjoy druid healing, and you can take the time to be good at it, you're worth the world to a raid team.


That's how I've felt about any character I play.

I'm not angling to have a raid spot on a team pushing for world firsts.
I'm not seeking a #1 rank on WoL.

As long as I'm doing well enough to be worth my raid spot, that's all that matters to me. It didn't bother me when I was a warrior and the FotM was DKs or Paladins as tanks, and it doesn't bother me now that I'm a druid healer.
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90 Night Elf Priest
5045
You can look at these OP, and you can see that the top bits of the population (a very small minority) are not always using Druids.
But you know what? If you enjoy druid healing, and you can take the time to be good at it, you're worth the world to a raid team.


That's how I've felt about any character I play.

I'm not angling to have a raid spot on a team pushing for world firsts.
I'm not seeking a #1 rank on WoL.

As long as I'm doing well enough to be worth my raid spot, that's all that matters to me. It didn't bother me when I was a warrior and the FotM was DKs or Paladins as tanks, and it doesn't bother me now that I'm a druid healer.


I think this is honestly, the more enjoyable way to paly. And if one finds themselves in a position where they're ready to move onward to progression raiding, there is always time to level and gear a "more desirable" healer.
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90 Troll Druid
11860
04/08/2013 10:29 AMPosted by Tazor
A well played resto druid is very strong.


Evidently not too many "well played" resto druids in this list

http://worldoflogs.com/rankings/players/Throne_of_Thunder/hps/

or this list

http://raidbots.com/dpsbot/Spec_Score/25N/100/14/60/default/#0000000000000000000000000000111111


Okay let's see if your claim is valid.

Iron Qon

You 25 man
http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-lwvb04jju1lgebr5/sum/healingDone/?s=2160&e=2817

Me 10 man
http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-ttnmtoje4nwg2cif/sum/healingDone/?s=11266&e=11816

YOU - Total fight time 10:57| ME - Total fight time 9:10

YOU - Rejuvenation 13484085 36.7 %
>ME - Rejuvenation 18963137 38.0 %
YOU- Wildgrowth+SotF 9037404 24.6 %
>ME - Wildgrowth+SotF 10200913 20.4 %
YOU - Lifebloom 2409035 6.6 %/ 353818 1.0 % Upkeep 57.4 %
>ME - Lifebloom 5330900 10.7 % / 26593 0.5 % Upkeep 94.7 %
**Any damage done to boss to account for LB variance?
You -None.| Me - Wrath 2070606 74.9 %; Moonfire 694707 25.1 %
>>YOU - Swiftmend 4416234 12.0 %
ME - Swiftmend 4018824 8.1 %
YOU - Tranquility 1877359 5.1 %
>ME - Tranquility 4901146 9.8 %

Total healing

YOU - 36767246 10.17% | >ME - 49900191 32.13%

HPS (e) YOU 55877.4 @active 658.0s100% | ME 90563.1 @active 550.9s 100.1%

YOU itemlevel 516 |ME 514 Both Eqipped
You 4pc t15 | ME 2pc t15

Anything in particular that catches your eye?

If you're going to link logs to support how bad we're off please link your own logs because then your statement makes much more sense.
Edited by Moophious on 4/8/2013 1:08 PM PDT
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90 Night Elf Druid
15480
Evidently not too many "well played" resto druids in this list


I have played with some fantastic druids over the years and will stick to my statement. Don't get a cookie for being on the front page of WoL.
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90 Night Elf Priest
5045
04/08/2013 01:01 PMPosted by Sadiemay
Evidently not too many "well played" resto druids in this list


I have played with some fantastic druids over the years and will stick to my statement. Don't get a cookie for being on the front page of WoL.


The cookie czar has spoken.
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90 Night Elf Druid
11640


Evidently not too many "well played" resto druids in this list

http://worldoflogs.com/rankings/players/Throne_of_Thunder/hps/

or this list

http://raidbots.com/dpsbot/Spec_Score/25N/100/14/60/default/#0000000000000000000000000000111111


Okay let's see if your claim is valid.

Iron Qon

You 25 man
http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-lwvb04jju1lgebr5/sum/healingDone/?s=2160&e=2817

Me 10 man
http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-ttnmtoje4nwg2cif/sum/healingDone/?s=11266&e=11816

YOU - Total fight time 10:57| ME - Total fight time 9:10

YOU - Rejuvenation 13484085 36.7 %
>ME - Rejuvenation 18963137 38.0 %
YOU- Wildgrowth+SotF 9037404 24.6 %
>ME - Wildgrowth+SotF 10200913 20.4 %
YOU - Lifebloom 2409035 6.6 %/ 353818 1.0 % Upkeep 57.4 %
>ME - Lifebloom 5330900 10.7 % / 26593 0.5 % Upkeep 94.7 %
**Any damage done to boss to account for LB variance?
You -None.| Me - Wrath 2070606 74.9 %; Moonfire 694707 25.1 %
>>YOU - Swiftmend 4416234 12.0 %
ME - Swiftmend 4018824 8.1 %
YOU - Tranquility 1877359 5.1 %
>ME - Tranquility 4901146 9.8 %

Total healing

YOU - 36767246 10.17% | >ME - 49900191 32.13%

HPS (e) YOU 55877.4 @active 658.0s100% | ME 90563.1 @active 550.9s 100.1%

YOU itemlevel 516 |ME 514 Both Eqipped
You 4pc t15 | ME 2pc t15

Anything in particular that catches your eye?

If you're going to link logs to support how bad we're off please link your own logs because then your statement makes much more sense.


Okay sir, let's get the facts straight. Moo, your logs are for 10 mans where druids are actually quite well off. Our main healing spell at present is Rejuvenation followed (with soft talent) by WG. In 10 mans, note that you're also 2 healing, the raid is not healed up as quickly as in 25 mans. Your hots have time to tick before the raid is topped.

The other logs are for a 25man. In 25man druids aren't particularly as strong. The logs in question consist of 7 healers (Disc Priest, 2 Hpallies, Holy Priest, a MW Monk, a Restoration Shaman, and a RDruid). This is quite the over-heal as in comparison to 10 mans there should only be 5 healers. (Doing some simple math, in 10s you have 1 healer to 5 raiders whereas in the 25man there is 1 healer to 3.57 raiders; Of course your numbers should be higher...) Another thing is that in 25mans there are other healers who have burst healing and especially with 2 hpallies and a disc, there is fairly little healing left to be scrounged for by the shaman, monk, hpriest, and resto druid. After the disc SS and the hpally mastery is eaten by damage, the hpallies will more likely than not follow up with 2 very strong AoE heals in 3 gcds (approx. 3 seconds or less)

All-in-all you cannot compare 25 man druid logs, where druids are suffering, to 10 man logs where druids are excelling. Other than that you cannot compare a 1:5 ratio to a 1:3.57 ratio.

Druids are left with something to be desired in 25mans currently, whereas they are very strong in 10 mans. If I were playing a restoration druid and didn't have such strong ties to 25s I would be resorting to 10 mans, as I believe can be said for many 25man raiding druids.
Edited by Reclaimed on 4/8/2013 1:45 PM PDT
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100 Tauren Druid
19365
04/08/2013 01:41 PMPosted by Reclaimed
Okay sir, let's get the facts straight. Moo, your logs are for 10 mans where druids are actually quite well off. Our main healing spell at present is Rejuvenation followed (with soft talent) by WG. In 10 mans, note that you're also 2 healing, the raid is not healed up as quickly as in 25 mans. Your hots have time to tick before the raid is topped.

Be that as it may, it still doesn't excuse the abysmal Lifebloom uptime... ;)
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90 Night Elf Druid
15480
Other than that you cannot compare a 1:5 ratio to a 1:3.57 ratio.


25 man should be 5 healing any fight that a 10 man heals with 2. It is a 1:5 ratio in both venues.
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90 Troll Druid
11860
Okay sir, let's get the facts straight. Moo, your logs are for 10 mans where druids are actually quite well off. Our main healing spell at present is Rejuvenation followed (with soft talent) by WG. In 10 mans, note that you're also 2 healing, the raid is not healed up as quickly as in 25 mans. Your hots have time to tick before the raid is topped.

The other logs are for a 25man. In 25man druids aren't particularly as strong. The logs in question consist of 7 healers (Disc Priest, 2 Hpallies, Holy Priest, a MW Monk, a Restoration Shaman, and a RDruid). This is quite the over-heal as in comparison to 10 mans there should only be 5 healers. (Doing some simple math, in 10s you have 1 healer to 5 raiders whereas in the 25man there is 1 healer to 3.57 raiders; Of course your numbers should be higher...) Another thing is that in 25mans there are other healers who have burst healing and especially with 2 hpallies and a disc, there is fairly little healing left to be scrounged for by the shaman, monk, hpriest, and resto druid. After the disc SS and the hpally mastery is eaten by damage, the hpallies will more likely than not follow up with 2 very strong AoE heals in 3 gcds (approx. 3 seconds or less)

All-in-all you cannot compare 25 man druid logs, where druids are suffering, to 10 man logs where druids are excelling. Other than that you cannot compare a 1:5 ratio to a 1:3.57 ratio.

Druids are left with something to be desired in 25mans currently, whereas they are very strong in 10 mans. If I were playing a restoration druid and didn't have such strong ties to 25s I would be resorting to 10 mans, as I believe can be said for many 25man raiding druids.


I understand the differences but that in no way explains how I have more total rejuv and wg than he does. Even his tranquility numbers are way off and heal healed for longer. He should by the nature of 25s be doing more healing on all those spells over 10 man regardless of the OH factor or other healers.
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90 Night Elf Druid
11640
Moo, you are correct that he "should" be healing more. However, when the raid is topped faster, HoTs cannot tick.. ultimately leading to massive amounts of overhealing and small amounts of output. This is the nature of 25s for RDruids atm.
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