all but taken back
Ha, what quests did you do?
The Alliance never had any kind of attack on Hellscream's watch. While we fought off the wind riders, there's nothing stopping the Horde from getting more and attacking again.
back under siege
in addition, the lumber camp has never been under more pressure
If Splintertree is back under siege, it's only because Blizzard didn't phase it properly. And, oooooh, pressure, that makes me feel like a winner.
The main horde offensive in stonetalon is the bomb, which is wasted. Meanwhile the alliance is actually making effective attacks against the horde, especially after allying with the grimtotem
They still manage to kill a ton of civilians with the bomb, which might not help the Horde's war efforts, but still kinda makes us feel like losers. The whole Alliance storyline in respect to that damn bomb is one of us failing time and time again to stop it. Wheeeeeee.
Just because the horde player eventually drove off the attackers does not negate the fact you attacked Stonard, not the area around stonard, and killed men and destroyed supplies
I want to reiterate that, in the end, I still count it as a victory. It's still a really pathetic one. The Horde's victories tend to be more... crushing.
He's probably referring to the massive army the alliance player amasses and there is no equivalent horde side army.
The Alliance army seems to be entirely focused on fighting Naga. It'd be great if we saw this army suddenly attack the Horde, but I'm not holding my breath.
The very fact that the alliance is there is a victory. Just because horde lose a mine and alliance lose a fortified dwarven base at the end doesn't negate the previous gains the alliance has made
Ok, fine. The very fact that the Horde is in Swamp of Sorrows, Arathi, Ashenvale, STV, Badlands, Felwood, etc. must be a great victory for the Horde, then, huh? The very fact that the Horde is there should be a victory for them, right?
You may need to provide something to back up your statement. The Horde gets quests to kill a ton of Alliance. There is nothing to suggest that they fail in this. At best, the Alliance is able to resupply with more troops to be killed. The Alliance is not able to mount a single offensive on any Horde settlements, much less succeed at them.
When I made that first post, I wanted to edit it, but then the forum did something stupid and then I forgot about it. Anyway, I wanted to point out that a lot of people complain about the presentation of the story for the Alliance. It's a legitimate complaint. It's probably the most important problem with the Alliance. It's also a separate issue from what I'm talking about in this thread. Recently, I've just seen so very many people, mostly Horde, saying that the Alliance "won" Cataclysm. It's just a claim that I really don't see any evidence for.
-Cataclysm did not go well for the Alliance Military
-The main problem for the Alliance is Presentation
-Alliance victories, or lack thereof, is a separate issue from Presentation, but is still a legitimate one, alongside other things such as lack of non-Human races getting lore, lack of non-Human faction leaders doing anything, getting strung along in Horde plots, lack of any real factional storylines or themes
-I wouldn't know how to spell legitimate without Chrome spellchecking for me