Remove RNG from Loot

30 Human Warrior
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One thing is certain; if it has a chance to happen, it WILL happen to someone, somewhere. If there is a possibility that your drop won't drop for 8 weeks in a row, it's very unlikely, but it will happen at some point.

Why am I saying this? Think about it this way. If two players do a raid for 8 weeks in a row, they both put in the same effort and the same amount of time. Why should one of them get no loot and one of them get everything they wanted? Just because a stupid random generator says so?

The randomness aspect of the game makes it kind of more enjoyable and addictive. There are studies showing that when something random/uncertain or unexpected happens, more dopamine is released in the brain, which is what makes gambling addictive.

But I still think it's silly. A game that is sooo time consuming and takes so much co-ordination and effort to beat has a reward system that basically flips a coin to decide if you get something. Completely devoid of who deserves it, how much effort it took, how many times it was repeated.

As long as there is randomness there will be bad luck. And there is no fairness in randomness. Some players will have more bad luck than others. Getting unlucky does not increase your chances in the future. It does not even out in the long run.
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43 Pandaren Monk
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Even if they didn't remove RNG totally, I wish they could smarten it up not to give you the exact same loot multiple times. I have had the same helm from Galleon, the same ring from Oondasta over and over and it's driving me crazy.

The game should know I've had it before - hell, I'm even wearing them! It's even unique equip, so why give it to me again when there are other options on the loot table?
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90 Blood Elf Hunter
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Bizzard doesn't want to do that because if they do, people will eventually get bored because they have all the want and eventually quit the game. Blizz does not want that =(

I agree that it would be fun getting rid of the RNG.
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90 Orc Hunter
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TLDR

If all your worried about is loot then go do LFR, If you where a proper raider you would know its not about getting the items, Loot is a tool, a tool to help you progress further as a guild. If your item doesnt drop, instead of crying, think to yourself "oh awsome, an upgrade for a fellow guild member" Thats an upgrade for your team, stop worrying about yourself. The game is the way it is. Get over it. I could cry about how my heroic weapon hasnt dropped yet from the 2 bosses we have on farm, but i won't because it doesnt matter.

Would love to have seen you raid anytime before wrath.

Stop crying, its ruining the game.
Edited by Neethe on 6/3/2013 3:55 AM PDT
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90 Blood Elf Priest
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04/19/2013 07:24 AMPosted by Arynrenas

The randomness aspect of the game makes it kind of more enjoyable and addictive. There are studies showing that when something random/uncertain or unexpected happens, more dopamine is released in the brain, which is what makes gambling addictive.

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Maybe..... But I hate gambling.... there is a reason I'm not in a casino and behind a computer playing F***ing video games!!!!!!

Get rid of the RNG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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100 Draenei Hunter
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got my trinket from DS three weeks before MoP hit -- RNG IS RNG - stop whinging and keep killing. randomness is fair and keeps you interested
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1 Dwarf Warrior
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Right, let's clear all this garbage up.

08/07/2014 12:19 PMPosted by Heavenslight
There is no "team" building in LFR. its a bunch of people who dont WANT to be a part of a raiding guild and put that kind of work into a game, but DO want to experience the actual video game.


LFR gives you exactly what you want. You experience the end content of the game. It was created exactly for that so people who didn't have the time or skill to do normal and hard mode raids were still about to see these awesome raid bosses and the lore behind them.

08/07/2014 12:19 PMPosted by Heavenslight

So if for people like that (and like myself) that have full-time jobs that are very demanding on us socially. Why would we WANT to join a raid guild with the few hours we have going spare.


That's a perfectly acceptable position to take, however, if you aren't willing to put the time in why should you reap the rewards? Surely you can see this is something that applies to everything in life. If you don't put the time into relationships, education, career etc.etc. would you really expect to get the same benefits as someone who does?

08/07/2014 12:19 PMPosted by Heavenslight
If I have 2 hours a day to play, I just want to click LFR, go in, and grab the item I want.
For people that want to be hardcore raiders and get heroic gear EP'ing all over the blogs how they hit #1 DPS in ilvl-I dont have a life- gear...... That can stay the way it is :-)


And this is the typical garbage spouted from a casual player that makes the 'hardcore' players hate them so and continues to fuel the rift between them both and causes you to lose what little credibility you had left from your sad rant. You can play 2 hours a day, that's fine but unfortunately both Blizzard and the 'hardcore' share the view point here. Gear is a means to an end, it is not the end. You raid to see the content, not to get the ilvl. You casual players who call out people with high ilvls as no life, basement dwelling, neckbeard nerds are the ones who care more about ilvl and the fact that you haven't got any shiny new epics this week.

I don't even want to address this part...Sad that an assumed adult both communicates like this and has views like this...
08/07/2014 12:19 PMPosted by Heavenslight
get heroic gear EP'ing all over the blogs how they hit #1 DPS in ilvl-I dont have a life- gear
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90 Human Warlock
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I don't undestand the issue. you ether never cleared enough to get BiS or you subbed for other guildies way to much. i've been BiS in ICC, FL and DS all 10man. and never had an issue with loot. yeah it took about 4 months to get my heroic vail in ds.but its not like i needed it. and now they have coins giving you more chance of getting your loot. i honestly hate going on the forums every other day and only see people complaining. almost as bad as blizzard giving out weekly buffs and everyone wanting more straight of the bat.
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90 Blood Elf Priest
12075
08/10/2014 04:25 AMPosted by Areuserious
..Sad that an assumed adult both communicates like this and has views like this...


Dude you're equally sad for taking it so personal.

08/10/2014 04:25 AMPosted by Areuserious
, however, if you aren't willing to put the time in why should you reap the rewards?


That's why we are playing a game. it should not BE like real life.
In case you've forgotten mister, 95% of people who play games, play them to get a break from the real world.
So stop condescending me, because your garbage is just as bad.
You're even hiding behind an alt here....

After 3 months of using LFR and still not getting the item I needed..... I think I'm done.
Edited by Heavenslight on 8/19/2014 1:21 PM PDT
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90 Dwarf Warlock
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08/19/2014 01:18 PMPosted by Heavenslight
After 3 months of using LFR and still not getting the item I needed..... I think I'm done.


Did you use bonus rolls every time for your item?

I think the fact that it takes time to get loot is why we keep playing the game. If you got your loot in the first couple of weeks then what? Go afk in stormwind for the other 10+ weeks?
Edited by Tanrennth on 8/23/2014 2:56 AM PDT
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90 Worgen Druid
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06/05/2013 03:20 AMPosted by Aislinge
Oh Neethe! Did someone steal your soggy weetbix this morning?

People make valid comments about a game they pay for in quite a constructive way and here you come, necroing the thread to get on your high horse to preach assumptions that because people are 'crying' (which, I don't see any evidence of), they must be 'n00bs', not have played the game for any length of time, thereby enhancing your 'l33t' status.

As a raider (and before YOU cry, sweetie, from BC), we've ALL been in content whereby the raid outgrows the loot being provided because the full extent/depth of the loot table is not being reached/served by the game. If you understood how the percentages on the loot table worked, you'd know this to be a fact. Raiders inherently understand it is part of the game that they will have to run repeatedly the same content to gain gear. That, after all, is part and parcel of raiding.

However, I don't recall seeing any of the above posters mentioning the need for that type of 'smart loot' for raids. In actual fact, they specifically mention World Bosses. Which, if you didn't know, have substantially deeper loot tables, require no level of repetition, team co-ordination or any other kind of effort that a weekly raid does. They are the WoW version of 'push button, receive bacon.' - so why not introduce smart loot for these bosses?

TL;DR - Didn't your Mum ever tell you? If you don't have something nice to say, keep your mouth shut.


Marry me.
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90 Worgen Druid
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08/23/2014 02:55 AMPosted by Tanrennth
08/19/2014 01:18 PMPosted by Heavenslight
After 3 months of using LFR and still not getting the item I needed..... I think I'm done.


Did you use bonus rolls every time for your item?

I think the fact that it takes time to get loot is why we keep playing the game. If you got your loot in the first couple of weeks then what? Go afk in stormwind for the other 10+ weeks?


It's the one's who've been trying to gear up for raiding for months (not mere weeks), without any success whatsoever, that I feel for.

Bonus rolls, as I'm becoming quite well acquainted with, don't necessarily return anything other than more gold after a certain point (for some of us), so it does begin to feel a bit disheartening and all very 'what's the point?', particularly when your best friend consistently wins almost everything under the sun needed to gear up, while you're still lagging behind on ilvl 501 and can't get a break for love nor money.

Although I haven't been trying as long as others, I can certainly empathize and often wonder at what point those of us who are incredibly unlucky in WoW might wake up to the epiphany that the game has become a masochistic excercise of self-abuse - and take up knitting instead.
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