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100 Draenei Paladin
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If I recall correctly, when the Dragons approached Malphurion after his release from the Nightmare, and said they would restore the blessings to the Night Elves, and he refused.
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91 Night Elf Druid
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Mentioned in Wolfheart he argued against immortality, and it apparently had enough impact that Maiev blamed him for it's loss.
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100 Night Elf Priest
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Mentioned in Wolfheart he argued against immortality, and it apparently had enough impact that Maiev blamed him for it's loss.


She's bat sh*it insane.

Plus I still want confirmation that Nozdormu offered his blessing and Malfurion said no.

Will that get answered? Fu*ck no.

If I recall correctly, when the Dragons approached Malphurion after his release from the Nightmare, and said they would restore the blessings to the Night Elves, and he refused.


In Stormrage Ysera and Alex gave their blessing to Teldrassil.

Nozdormu was not present or no one knew his whereabouts.
Edited by Haaely on 4/19/2013 2:42 AM PDT
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91 Gnome Warrior
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04/15/2013 01:33 PMPosted by Omacron
ok what is this guy credentials?

Sean Copeland is one of Blizzard's three historians. He's paid to know all the lore there is to know. He made waves at Blizzcon 2011 by going onto stage with Metzen so he didn't have another "Isn't Falstad dead"? moment and by introducing himself as "Blue Shirt Guy".

He's also got pretty good taste in liquor.


HISTORIANS?

Bliz. No. What? no. no no no no no no no no no no. Blizzard has hired HISTORIANS whose job it is to know all the lore? That's..... no. That's nuts. XD.

RED SHIRT GUY WAS MERELY A SETBACK!

XD
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100 Blood Elf Death Knight
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Illidan was tried by the leaders of the Night Elf army and was sentenced to death for the murder of several Night Elves and the attempted murder of Commander Jarod Shadowsong and Dath'Remar Sunstrider as well as creating a new Well. Malfurion asked for mercy for him in light of the service Illidan gave the Night Elves during the war. This is covered in The War of the Ancients trilogy.
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100 Night Elf Priest
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Illidan was tried by the leaders of the Night Elf army and was sentenced to death for the murder of several Night Elves and the attempted murder of Commander Jarod Shadowsong and Dath'Remar Sunstrider as well as creating a new Well. Malfurion asked for mercy for him in light of the service Illidan gave the Night Elves during the war. This is covered in The War of the Ancients trilogy.


And now a Blizz historian has said otherwise. Looks like the trilogy doesn't apply anymore.
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100 Night Elf Priest
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04/20/2013 01:50 PMPosted by Resileaf
Illidan was tried by the leaders of the Night Elf army and was sentenced to death for the murder of several Night Elves and the attempted murder of Commander Jarod Shadowsong and Dath'Remar Sunstrider as well as creating a new Well. Malfurion asked for mercy for him in light of the service Illidan gave the Night Elves during the war. This is covered in The War of the Ancients trilogy.


And now a Blizz historian has said otherwise. Looks like the trilogy doesn't apply anymore.


Or he isn't doing a very good job.
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100 Blood Elf Death Knight
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04/20/2013 01:50 PMPosted by Resileaf
Illidan was tried by the leaders of the Night Elf army and was sentenced to death for the murder of several Night Elves and the attempted murder of Commander Jarod Shadowsong and Dath'Remar Sunstrider as well as creating a new Well. Malfurion asked for mercy for him in light of the service Illidan gave the Night Elves during the war. This is covered in The War of the Ancients trilogy.


And now a Blizz historian has said otherwise. Looks like the trilogy doesn't apply anymore.


One his job is not to rewrite lore only to remember what was written he can't overwrite existing lore.

Two he didnt contradict the books he only stated what was said in Warcraft 3 the WotA books are newer so they take precedence he likely didn't remember them.

Three the Night Elves were lead by the leaders of several factions early on but those leaders soon left. Jarod kinda vanished shortly after the war, Dath'Remar took the Highborn and sailed east, and Malfurion took a nap leaving Tyrande as the Highest ranking Elf left.

The real question is did Malfurion have a leadership position before his nap? We just don't know its not referenced in the lore though he sure acts like he does.
Edited by Nathreim on 4/20/2013 2:27 PM PDT
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91 Night Elf Druid
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Three the Night Elves were lead by the leaders of several factions early on but those leaders soon left. Jarod kinda vanished shortly after the war, Dath'Remar took the Highborn and sailed east, and Malfurion took a nap leaving Tyrande as the Highest ranking Elf left


Think that WAS RPG actually, and thus non-canon. It gets confusing sometimes.

Anyway, the WotA punishment took place before the new government was in place.

Malfurion having a leadership position before that or not doesn't matter, because the new Government had Tyrande as the sole leader.
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100 Blood Elf Death Knight
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Think that WAS RPG actually, and thus non-canon. It gets confusing sometimes.


No the Night Elf host had a council of leaders immediately after the war we don't know when the leadership structure changed but at the end of the WotA books they still had a council and Tyrande was not on it. We do know that the leaders of the council eventually leave and Tyrande as High Priestess of Elune likely would have been thrust into leadership to fill the gap.

Malfurion having a leadership position before that or not doesn't matter, because the new Government had Tyrande as the sole leader.


We dont know how leadership between the two is handled as both are leaders of huge portions of the Night Elves. Tyrande rules the worshipers of Elune and other non-druids and Malurion rules the Druids.

In any case Malfurion is the leader of the Druids and as natures guardian has the power to banish Illidan from the forests not as a leader of the elves but as a protector of nature.
Edited by Nathreim on 4/20/2013 3:32 PM PDT
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91 Night Elf Druid
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No the Night Elf host had a council of leaders immediately after the war we don't know when the leadership structure changed but at the end of the WotA books they still had a council and Tyrande was not on it. We do know that the leaders of the council eventually leave and Tyrande as High Priestess of Elune likely would have been thrust into leadership to fill the gap.


That was before the new government was set up. It was essentially martial law with the military head, Jarod, making the decisions. Which he did.

Malfurion, Tyrande, ect, were not in charge at the time because the civilization was shattered.

We dont know how leadership between the two is handled as both are leaders of huge portions of the Night Elves. Tyrande rules the worshipers of Elune and other non-druids and Malurion rules the Druids.

In any case Malfurion is the leader of the Druids and as natures guardian has the power to banish Illidan from the forests not as a leader of the elves but as a protector of nature.


Not many Night Elves are druids. There just are not that many druids percentage wise.

We were just told Tyrande was the sole leader of the Night Elves up until Stormrage. That's the end of it. Tyrande was the sole leader of the Night Elves, and Malfurion didn't have the authority to banish Illidan, guardian of nature or not. Night Elven land, Tyrande's rules.
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100 Blood Elf Death Knight
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04/20/2013 03:48 PMPosted by Ferlion
Not many Night Elves are druids. There just are not that many druids percentage wise.


Almost all male Night Elves are druids that's why the Sentinel were until recently all female it is only recently that this has changed.
Edited by Nathreim on 4/20/2013 4:56 PM PDT
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91 Night Elf Druid
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Not many Night Elves are druids. There just are not that many druids percentage wise.


Almost all male Night Elves are druids that's why the Sentinel were until recently all female it is only recently that this has changed.


Uhh.. Yeah, no.

That's never been true. The Sentinels were all female because they were an aspect of the Church Of Elune, and that's a female only organization. Anyone could go and worship Elune, but to actually be part of it, you had to be female.

Every source, from the encyclopedia to the now non-canon RPG's all agreed that druids were just a really small percentage of the population.
Edited by Ferlion on 4/20/2013 4:53 PM PDT
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100 Blood Elf Death Knight
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Uh yes... You must have read the NEW Encyclopedia focused on recent events. Before 2010 it had this little gem.

Prior to the conclusion of the Third War, night elf society was sharply divided by gender, with the vast majority of men being druids and most women serving as warriors, priestesses, or a combination thereof.

It says the same in the in game manual that came with WoW

In Warcraft 3 all the male Night Elves are druids.

http://www.wowpedia.org/Night_elf

Blizz changed this for wow (because only being able to play a druid as a male Night Elf would be boring) but it wasn't a retcon it was explained as a change in Night Elf culture.
Edited by Nathreim on 4/20/2013 5:40 PM PDT
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91 Night Elf Druid
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Uh yes... You must have read the NEW Encyclopedia focused on recent events. Before 2010 it had this little gem.


The one that I'm going off of was up shortly before BC. It's not exactly new.

The gender barriers were just recently taken down, yes. That's true. Men can now be priests, woman can now be druids. But most men were not druids.
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100 Blood Elf Death Knight
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04/20/2013 05:39 PMPosted by Ferlion
Uh yes... You must have read the NEW Encyclopedia focused on recent events. Before 2010 it had this little gem.


The one that I'm going off of was up shortly before BC. It's not exactly new.

The gender barriers were just recently taken down, yes. That's true. Men can now be priests, woman can now be druids. But most men were not druids.


04/20/2013 05:31 PMPosted by Nathreim
Prior to the conclusion of the Third War, night elf society was sharply divided by gender, with the vast majority of men being druids and most women serving as warriors, priestesses, or a combination thereof.


04/20/2013 05:31 PMPosted by Nathreim
with the vast majority of men being druids


04/20/2013 05:31 PMPosted by Nathreim
vast majority
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91 Night Elf Druid
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Give a source. Not Wowpedia. An actual source. I can find you one that says otherwise.

Either way, the new lore trumps the old lore
Edited by Ferlion on 4/20/2013 5:48 PM PDT
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100 Tauren Shaman
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Im not sure how there is a condradiction here. Illidan performed a crime. He was judged guilty and sentanced. Jarod Shadowsong was commander but he tended to defer to both Malfurion and Tyrande. Tyrande was High Priestess. My guess is it was Tyrande running the show politically at that point.

Malfurion asked for mercy on Illidan because of his actions in the WotA and so rather than death he was put in long term incaseration. Tyrande was incharge, Jarod was under her and Malfurion was a interested party on the side.

How where is the contradiction?
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100 Blood Elf Death Knight
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Give a source. Not Wowpedia. An actual source. I can find you one that says otherwise.

Either way, the new lore trumps the old lore


Well Warcraft 3.....

Chapter 1 of the old History of Warcraft from the website explains the foundation of the Sentinels because of the men sleeping in the Dream as all druids did at the time.

Wowpedia is the best source we have since Blizz stopped keeping a lore guide since 08. The passage was taken by wowpedia directly from the old Wow Encyclopedia which no longer exists. You cant find a copy of the original on any other site other than wowpedia and wowwiki that does not make it any less true.

If there were lots of men that were not druids why would the Sentinels the standing night elf army be entirely female up until the start of wow and why would every druid in Warcraft 3 be male?

Unless you have a source that completely retcons the all of this by specificly saying that the majority of men were not druids prior to wow which I would love to see so by all means show me.
Edited by Nathreim on 4/20/2013 6:52 PM PDT
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91 Night Elf Druid
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The encyclopedia I'd accept if it actually said that.

In time, a primitive tribe of nocturnal humanoids were drawn by the Well's strange energies and built crude homes upon its tranquil shores. Over time, the Well's cosmic power affected the tribe, making them strong, wise, and immortal. Their skin turned various shades of violet, and they grew taller in stature. The tribe adopted the name kaldorei, which meant "children of the stars" in their native tongue.

The kaldorei, or night elves as they would later be known, worshipped Elune, goddess of the moon, and believed that she slept within the Well's shimmering depths during the daylight hours. The early night elf priests and seers studied the Well with great curiosity, and the ongoing research of the Well became a facet of night elf society.

The Well of Eternity also caused the night elves' eyes to glow with a silver or golden radiance. Their vision became preternaturally sensitive to light and motion. Contrary to what a casual observer might believe, night elf eyes still have pupils, just as the eyes of many other humanoid races do. These pupils can be difficult to discern, particularly under certain lighting or from certain angles.

More importantly, the night elves learned the art of spellcasting, using the energies of the Well of Eternity. The night elves' magic quickly allowed them to establish a strong empire. As the night elves claimed further territory, they came into conflict with the trolls in the area, who had long dominated much of ancient Kalimdor. Unable to master arcane magic quickly enough to counter the night elves' sudden and fierce attacks, the trolls were forced to retreat. Thus was born the long-standing feud between night elves and trolls, an enmity which persists to this day.
Night Elves and Trolls

Are night elves descended from trolls? The night elf race was formed so long ago that no hard evidence has surfaced to answer this question, although it has been asked many times. All that is known for certain is that a tribe of nocturnal humanoids came to live on the shores of the first Well of Eternity, and the Well's cosmic energies changed them into the night elves we know today.

Certainly many trolls do believe that the humanoids who developed into the night elf race were trolls. The theory does have some credibility, for there is at least a superficial physical resemblance between trolls and night elves. Furthermore, the troll race dominated much of ancient Kalimdor several millennia before the night elves came into power.

Nevertheless, many night elves find this theory preposterous and abhorrent. They are quick to point out that the first night elves began their rise to power by defeating a number of nearby troll tribes. As a consequence, the trolls came to fear and respect the might of their new rivals. The troll theory of night elf ancestry may have been a direct result of this early conflict. The trolls hated the night elves--a sentiment that persists to this day--and may have wished to marginalize the night elf race and its accomplishments. Also, attributing the night elf race with a troll heritage likely helped the trolls come to terms with their own shocking defeat.

Without additional data, there is little point in debating the merits of this controversial theory. No doubt it will remain a matter of contention for years to come.
Arcane Magic and Its Consequences

The night elves studied the energies of the Well for over a thousand years before Queen Azshara came to the throne. By that time, one caste of night elf nobility had risen to prominence. Under Azshara's reign, members of that caste began calling themselves the Highborne. The name pleased Azshara, for she too was a member of the highest caste, and she approved the term for official use.

Many Highborne were obsessed with the Well, and with Azshara's approval, they devoted themselves to studying it day and night. Their reckless use of arcane magic eventually caught the attention of Sargeras, who easily corrupted the arrogant Highborne. Captivated by the dark titan, the Highborne helped the Burning Legion invade Azeroth. Countless night elves and other creatures died during the resulting War of the Ancients. In the end, the remaining night elves managed to defeat the Legion with the help of many allies and several heroes, including High Priestess Tyrande Whisperwind, Malfurion Stormrage, and Illidan Stormrage.

Some of the Highborne regretted their choice to aid the Legion and managed to escape the capital city, Zin-Azshari, before the Well of Eternity imploded and triggered the Great Sundering. Afterwards, arcane magic was outlawed on pain of death, but the Highborne arrogantly continued their dangerous sorcery. Rather than execute their defiant kindred, Tyrande and Malfurion sentenced the Highborne to exile. The exiles journeyed over the sea to Lordaeron, where they founded the kingdom of Quel'Thalas and began calling themselves high elves.
A New Beginning

Most of the remaining night elves had had enough of aristocracy and arcane magic. Such things were seen as relics of a decadent and shameful past. Even so, Illidan created a second Well of Eternity, for he did not believe that arcane magic was inherently dangerous. Most of the other night elves disagreed, however, and so Illidan was imprisoned. Three of the Dragon Aspects grew the first World Tree, Nordrassil, atop the Well so that the tree, which was linked to the Emerald Dream, would act as a regulator on the Well's magics. Nordrassil also bestowed a number of gifts upon the night elves, including continued immortality.

Tyrande led the drive to reorganize night elf government. She believed that her order, the Sisterhood of Elune, had been too distant from the day-to-day affairs of their people. In her opinion, this distance had been partly to blame for the catastrophic war.

The Sisterhood was greatly revered for its combat and healing skills, and its members had trained as warriors and scholars for generations. Furthermore, the Sisterhood was one of the few sizeable night elf groups to survive the war. Better yet, membership and rank among the Sisterhood had never been based upon family bloodlines.

Inevitably Tyrande decided that her order should take on greater societal responsibilities. Never again would the Sisters of Elune fail in their duty to guide their people. Disbanding the former night elf army, most of which had been based on lineage rather than ability, Tyrande organized a new army called the Sentinels. This army is still directed by the Sisters of Elune, and thus Tyrande has been sole head of the night elf government throughout the ensuing millennia.

Meanwhile, Tyrande's mate, Malfurion, taught the druidic arts to other night elves. This small group of druids dedicated themselves to preserving the balance of nature on Azeroth. Highly respected by the rest of night elf society, the druids are nevertheless outside of it, for they answer to no government. Today the Cenarion Circle welcomes members from a variety of different races, but the organization has no governmental authority over any of these races.
The Third War

Ashamed of the catastrophe their people had brought to Azeroth, the night elves withdrew to their forests and remained isolated there for approximately ten thousand years. Then their solitude was shattered by the arrival of Warchief Thrall and the Horde, along with a large group of human refugees, led by Lady Jaina Proudmoore. Tyrande was infuriated by the intruders, who trespassed upon lands that had belonged to the night elves alone for millennia. The Horde in particular not only chopped down vast stretches of forest, but also slew the demigod Cenarius.

Tyrande led the Sentinels into battle against the mortal invaders, only to discover that the Burning Legion had followed the invaders to Kalimdor. The Legion had launched a new invasion upon the world. The high priestess and her soldiers raced to waken all the druids slumbering in the Emerald Dream, including Malfurion.

With some encouragement from Medivh, the night elves saw the wisdom of uniting their forces with the humans and orcs. The three armies fought the demon lord Archimonde and his minions as they advanced on the summit of Mount Hyjal and the Well of Eternity that Archimonde sought to plunder. Together the armies delayed the Legion until the night elves had empowered Nordrassil with the magic of their immortality and the energies of countless night elf spirits. Then the World Tree gave off a massive burst of energy that killed Archimonde instantly.

Without their commander, the Burning Legion crumbled and was defeated. Nordrassil and the second Well of Eternity still stand. The night elves' noble sacrifice has cost them their immortality. Under the leadership of Archdruid Fandral Staghelm, the Cenarion Circle has grown a second World Tree, Teldrassil, in the hopes of restoring what the night elves have lost. Thus far, those hopes have proven fruitless. Currently the night elves are members of the Alliance.
Silver Eyes, Golden Eyes

Before the Sundering, golden eyes were extremely rare among the night elves. Golden eyes thus came to be regarded as a sign of future greatness. Both Queen Azshara and Illidan had these unusual eyes. Unfortunately the falsehood of this widespread belief was only to become clear after these two infamous individuals had reached their dark fates.

In truth, golden eyes were a sign of strong druidic potential. Little wonder that pre-Sundering night elves, with their emphasis on the arcane, did not understand the significance of these unusual eyes. Simply having this potential did not guarantee that the potential would be sensed or understood, much less wielded with skill and compassion. Despite his golden eyes, Illidan struggled with the druidic arts, though he, like Malfurion, was tutored by Cenarius.

Innate druidic power does not necessarily lead to becoming a druid, and lacking that innate power does not preclude becoming a druid. Indeed, Malfurion was born with eyes that glowed silver, but he studied druidism, and his wholehearted dedication gave him a power and skill far beyond most druids. As he continued to use druidic magic, his eyes acquired the golden incandescence that had once been so coveted by other night elves.

Golden eyes quickly became far more common. After the Sundering, night elves abandoned their former obsession with bloodlines, and so the number of night elves born with golden eyes increased significantly. In addition, the night elves resolved to be more respectful of Azeroth, and a number of night elf men followed in Malfurion's footsteps; these new druids eventually also had golden eyes.

Traditionally night elf women served their people as warriors, hunters, and protectors. Many spellcasting vocations, on the other hand, were generally considered the realm of night elf men. Only since the devastating casualties of the Third War have these conventional gender roles been set aside. Because druids only recently opened their ranks to women, golden eyes remain somewhat more prevalent among night elf men than their female counterparts.
Elves in General

Both blood elves and high elves are descended from night elves. Nevertheless, due to their shared history and philosophical differences, the three groups do not share a close relationship. Indeed, night elves regard high elves and blood elves with suspicion, disgust, or outright hostility.

Nevertheless, night elves do share some characteristics with their high elf and blood elf brethren. All three groups have unusually acute senses and are able to see clearly even in low-light conditions. As a general rule, elves are also slim, athletic, and graceful. Furthermore, they all have large pointed ears that tend to be greeted with admiration or mockery by other races.

One similarity between night elves, high elves, and blood elves has only recently come about. The night elves sacrificed their immortality and much of their power at the end of the Third War. Thus, all elves are now mortal and have comparable lifespans that can extend as long as several thousand years.
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