04/17/2013 12:14 PMFirst off, making an assumption about what the Horde player is going through is only possible if you're playing through the Horde quest line.
Posted by Xavios
You are acting like we haven't. I know I have. The questing experience is night and day different.
This story isn't about Horde players and Alliance players, it's a WORLD story line! It's a chain of events leading both sides to realize that this dude is bad news for everyone in the world of Azeroth
World story directed by the Horde, staring the Horde......
Seriously though, the whole events can be taken as a world story. But you need to come at it from different perspectives. The Alliance needs their own, unique part of the story. The direction the come in, the actions they take, etc. need to be based on the Alliance perspective.
It is really not okay for me to be plopped down into the Horde perspective. It is ever worse when it also is less story. And top it off getting threats and rudeness from the person you are helping, despite them having tried to kill you in the past. It doesn't work. It makes the Alliance player feel out of place.
When I want to see the Horde perspective, I play a Horde toon. I expect to get quests from Horde NPCs. I expect to see the Horde narrative. When I play an Allaince toon, I want to see the Alliance perspective. I expect to get quests from and Alliance NPC. I expect to see the Alliance narrative. That is what is NOT happening. That is why we have a problem with it.
04/17/2013 12:14 PMWould it make you feel better if this was all based around Wrynn being the "bad guy" and perpetrating all of these crimes against the citizens of Azeroth as a whole? Then "oh hey... it's all about the Alliance now, yippy!!!!" If Blizzard did this to both factions at the same time, it would just be ridiculous and overly complex.
Posted by Xavios
This is a classic case of not listening. Lets try again. Garrosh as the villain had potential to be a great story for the Alliance. The Alliance could be making war plans. Moving on tactical positions and driving the story for at least part of the expansion. The Alliance could have been made the catalyst for action. That is not really what is happening. The whole story is becoming about the Horde rebellion. The Horde story progresses about Horde characters doing Horde based things. The Alliance gets dragged along.
Let me give you an example:
What was the catalyst for the rebellion? The assassination attempt on Vol'jin. Why, did it happen? Just because Garrosh didn't like him. Did the Alliance play any part in what lead up to that? Nope. Did they play any part in the rebellion arc at all? Nope.
Lets say this had been done a little different. Imagine:
The Alliance engages a Horde army. Imagine if the Alliance had ultimately triumphed in Krasarang for example. It is one engagement, not enough to defeat the Horde, but it would have been a major blow to moral. Okay, in comes Vol'jin speaking against Garrosh and using his failure in Krasarang as evidence he is not fit. The Alliance could plant false evidence suggesting to Garrosh Vol'jin was going to try and kill him (woot, real
espionage). The assassination attempt becomes a response to that fake evidence. Vol'jin starts the rebellion.
Whats different there? The end result is the same. We end up in the same place. The Darkspear in open revolt. But, for part of the story, the Alliance was the one driving it. The Alliance would be creating effects in the world.
The 5.3 events could be completely separate. Horde doing their thing with rebels, the Alliance doing their thing with the d-day like invasion. Instead we have the Horde doing their thing with the rebels and the Alliance doing the Horde thing with the rebels.
See, that is the key. As an Alliance player we want the Alliance to get to drive the narrative for parts of the story. Control of the direction the narrative takes should be handed back and forth during the story. At some points the Horde would drive it. Others the Alliance. And still others, both sides would do their own thing and just get to the end. So far, the Horde has driven the narrative exclusively.