Blood Elves and Night Elves

91 Night Elf Druid
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In all honesty, as much as we Night Elf fans complain, when it comes down to race vs race, I don't think there really is one that can take them.

The Orc's tried and failed. Stormwind "might" be able to swing it, but only because their using combination tech from the Dwarves and Gnomes.

Take Skyfire out of the picture, since its an Alliance ship, and their chance goes away.
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High elf/be just lack the raw numbers/brawn to win this one. Their magic is very good, but not so much better than what the NE can bring to the table to make up for that. The NE have stronger leaders, too, which offsets the BE edge in magic at the mid level. Not even Kael'thas in his prime could match Malfurion or Tyrande.

The race has always had to turn to someone else to provide raw mass, whether it was humans or the horde. They are formidable in a supporting role.
Edited by Sybhyl on 4/17/2013 12:27 AM PDT
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100 Blood Elf Paladin
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The Blood Elves have already won. They pushed the Night Elves out of the Ghostlands without any difficulty.

That's the only recorded instance of Blood Elf Vs Night Elf in the game, right? And the Blood Elves have only been getting more badass since that point, recently acquiring the power of Mogu Anima.

The Night Elves, in contrast, have had nothing but a string of failures, losses, and pain.
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91 Night Elf Druid
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The Blood Elves have already won. They pushed the Night Elves out of the Ghostlands without any difficulty.


They pushed out a small group of spies. Not an army.
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In fairness it's difficult to imagine a situation where the two would go up head to head if we are talking about them by themselves. It's not like the Kaldorei have designs on the EK or the he/be on Kalimdor.
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91 Night Elf Druid
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In fairness it's difficult to imagine a situation where the two would go up head to head if we are talking about them by themselves. It's not like the Kaldorei have designs on the EK or the he/be on Kalimdor.


Nope.. The High Elves very purposely went as far away as they could from the Night Elves. The two will never get along, but I doubt they would ever fight either. A cold politeness is what I expect.
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100 Blood Elf Paladin
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04/17/2013 12:41 AMPosted by Ferlion
The Blood Elves have already won. They pushed the Night Elves out of the Ghostlands without any difficulty.


They pushed out a small group of spies. Not an army.


They defeated the main aspects of the Night Elven army. Sentinels, Druids, and Priestesses. The only thing they didn't face were the Ancients.

In addition, the Blood Elves field a much more diverse force. The Farstriders are every bit the equal of the Sentinels, Night Elven Priestesses are doubled up against by both Blood Elven Priests (sometimes Mage-Priests) and the Blood Knights, and Blood Elves also use Arcane (as well as Anima) Golems, as well as a huge assortment of Mages and Warlocks.

There's really no area of Night Elven expertise that isn't countered by the Blood Elves.
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Veloran, God is on the side of the bigger battalions. It pretty much boils down to that.

The HE to their credit have always understood this. As a race they have always shown the wisdom and diplomatic flexibility to make strong alliances to shore up their position.

The NE, by contrast, are much more isolationist and less inclined to form alliances. We in the alliance can thank the Orcs for making the case for us.
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100 Blood Elf Paladin
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Veloran, God is on the side of the bigger battalions. It pretty much boils down to that.


Do you really want to argue the numbers game? In Warcraft? Really?

Practically the entire Orcish race escaped by boat to Kalimdor, and they're still a big enough threat today (after multiple, devastating wars) that they can stand up to - and beat down -nearly every threat leveled against them.

By all rights, they (and half the other PC races in this setting) should be extinct. But they're not. Because in Warcraft, racial population doesn't amount to a damn thing.
Edited by Veloran on 4/17/2013 1:11 AM PDT
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90 Worgen Rogue
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They defeated the main aspects of the Night Elven army. Sentinels, Druids, and Priestesses. The only thing they didn't face were the Ancients.


But it wasn't an army. They were spies. Also I don't recall there being any druids there, just sentinels. These were just a couple of soldiers doing recon work and gathering intel. IIRC, they didn't make many hostile moves, the Blood elves just removed them because it's better to be safe than sorry.

Also, given that they were in their own back yard, the Blood elves damn well better have won or else that'd have been a major embarrassment. Silvermoon was right there

The Farstriders are every bit the equal of the Sentinels


haha

They're not actually. Farstriders are trained mostly in archery. Night elf Sentinels are also have melee in their ranks, many of which ride into battle atop massive sabercats. Blood elves have chocobos.

Night Elven Priestesses are doubled up against by both Blood Elven Priests (sometimes Mage-Priests) and the Blood Knights


Night elf Priestesses of the Moon are warriors. They're more like archer-paladins and melee paladins.

and Blood Elves also use Arcane (as well as Anima) Golems


Night elves counter them with ancient protectors.

04/17/2013 12:59 AMPosted by Veloran
Mages


Night elves have those now too. You just screw with some apprentices who didn't know much in Azshara, Night elven elders are little bit more powerful, just not as versed in arcane golems.

There's also the issue of Night elves being demonstrably nimble and strong. They are better suited to melee combat and guerilla warfare than Blood elves are. Add on top of this, the Blood elf's population number is so diminished it's crazy while Night elves are still going strong despite recent tragedies.

Sorry, Blood elves couldn't win. It's just not an even match up.
Edited by Abendrothe on 4/17/2013 1:17 AM PDT
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Oh sure, Blizz can do whatever they want here and conjure up armies as needed.

But I think we have to set that aside in this sort of discussion and just take the WoW universe as presented and work logically from that. Giving ourselves the powers of Irvine is bad form.
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91 Night Elf Druid
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They defeated the main aspects of the Night Elven army. Sentinels, Druids, and Priestesses. The only thing they didn't face were the Ancients.


Yes.. In small numbers.. The Farstriders are NOT the equal of teh sentinels. They also dont' have something to match huntress or Warden. Night Elven priestess match all three of the one's listed, and then some, ancients trump golems AND anima, and Druids trump mages and warlocks.

Sorry, but if you put the Blood Elves against the Night Elves in force, the Blood Elves would be crushed fairly handily. When SCOUTS rip through 3 or 4 Kor Kron after falling from the top of a forest like it isn't a think, when their flying mounts kill protodrakes at almost twice the ratio, and when their big hitters are subduing Old God minions of major levels, it makes them fairly well.. Above and beyond what the Blood Elves can field.

Night Elves are physically stronger, faster, and just plain bigger.
Their meaner, better trained, and better equipped.

The only thing Blood Elves trump the Night Elves on is mages, and if push comes to shove for horrible ancient magic, the Highborn are going to trump the Blood Elves as well.

It's very telling that a Highborn scares a demon into submission, resulting in the demon begging to be taken away from her.
Edited by Ferlion on 4/17/2013 1:22 AM PDT
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100 Blood Elf Paladin
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04/17/2013 01:15 AMPosted by Abendrothe
But it wasn't an army. They were spies. Also I don't recall there being any druids there, just sentinels.


There were Druids.

They're not actually. Farstriders are trained mostly in archery. Night elf Sentinels are also have melee in their ranks, many of which ride into battle atop massive sabercats. Blood elves have chocobos.


"Cough"Pathstalkers"Cough"

Night elf Priestesses of the Moon are warriors. They're more like archer-paladins and melee paladins.


And the Blood Elves have Mage-Priests and actual Paladins. Ones that wear armor rather then plate bikinis, even. (Yes, I know that was a bit factitious.)

Night elves counter them with ancient protectors.


I'm not sure you can directly counter something that's better then what you're trying to counter with.

Also: Fire Mages.

04/17/2013 01:15 AMPosted by Abendrothe
Night elves have those now too.


And they suck.

04/17/2013 01:15 AMPosted by Abendrothe
You just screw with some apprentices who didn't know much in Azshara,


You face an actual Highborn as well. Who sucks.

04/17/2013 01:15 AMPosted by Abendrothe
There's also the issue of Night elves being demonstrably nimble and strong.


As are Blood Elves. They were once the same race, after all.

04/17/2013 01:15 AMPosted by Abendrothe
They are better suited to melee combat and guerilla warfare than Blood elves are.


Are they? They couldn't stop from being ambushed in their own forest.

04/17/2013 01:18 AMPosted by Ferlion
The Farstriders are NOT the equal of teh sentinels. They also dont' have something to match huntress or Warden.


1. Yes, they are.

2. See: Farstriders.

04/17/2013 01:18 AMPosted by Ferlion
Night Elven priestess match all three of the one's listed,


They match Blood Elven Priests, Mage-Priests, and Paladins? Forgive me if I doubt this with great intensity.

04/17/2013 01:18 AMPosted by Ferlion
ancients trump golems AND anima,


Giant trees Vs multiple types of giant mechs. No.

04/17/2013 01:18 AMPosted by Ferlion
and Druids trump mages and warlocks.


You've clearly gone insane.

Let's focus for a moment. WoW runs nearly everything on Rule of Cool.

So tell me - Would you rather want to go into battle with:

A. This? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_kEX8-Q3u8

B. Or this? http://youtu.be/FaqMcoObqdo?t=2m45s
Edited by Veloran on 4/17/2013 1:48 AM PDT
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90 Night Elf Priest
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^ It was just a spy camps.

And no, not destroy them all, just finished one, and the sentinels almost kill the Forsaken guards and the magister ( who was cowering).

Given your arguments, the draenei would destroy the blood elves easily, because in its initial quests they destroy many blood elves.
1. Yes, they are.
No.The sentinels are better.

They match Blood Elven Priests, Mage-Priests, and Paladins? Forgive me if I doubt this with great intensity.
Only druids might against them.

Are they? They couldn't stop from being ambushed in their own forest.
Remember the second war (the horde destroy your forest with very many easily), and the scource.
Edited by Serendia on 4/17/2013 2:17 AM PDT
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100 Blood Elf Paladin
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And no, not destroy them all, just finished one, and the sentinels almost kill the Forsaken guards and the magister ( who was cowering).


I don't remember anything like this ever happening.

Given your arguments, the draenei would destroy the blood elves easily, because in its initial missions destroy many blood elves.


They do have super-advanced magi-tech. And a flying city.
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There's plenty of way to take pride in Blood Elves/High Elves besides this extremely unlikely scenario, btw. Raw military might isn't everything. (This is thinking like Garrosh.) The Silvermoon elves are one of the grand civilizations of Azeroth.

I wish we could take them back into the Alliance. We ought to be friends, by tradition and aesthetics. Garithos has much to answer for...
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73 Worgen Rogue
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THe Night Elves have far superior numbers and a far greater military. Not to mention the Blood Elves one advantage, mages, is totally nullified by the reintroduction of the Highborne, which are some of the most powerful mages on Azeroth.
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THe Night Elves have far superior numbers and a far greater military. Not to mention the Blood Elves one advantage, mages, is totally nullified by the reintroduction of the Highborne, which are some of the most powerful mages on Azeroth.


Nah, it's not nullified by the Highborne. BE still have the edge in magic at the mid level.

But not enough to make up for numbers and for the big guns the NE have in Tyrande and Malfurion.
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90 Night Elf Priest
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I don't remember anything like this ever happening.
Ghostlands quests.

Remember That the blood elves Could not do anything against a few undead. Then came Tyrande and Maiev, and saved Their Lives.

We are comparing a race of warcraft 3 which was playable. With a race that only adds were humans.

Night Elves> Blood Elves.
04/17/2013 02:22 AMPosted by Sybhyl
Nah, it's not nullified by the Highborne.
Yes, remember that they have 10.000 years studying.
Edited by Serendia on 4/17/2013 2:29 AM PDT
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100 Blood Elf Paladin
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Ghostlands quests.


I remember some Sentinels ambushing a Magister and some guards at a burned-out Night Elven camp. There was no cowering.
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