5.3 PTR Story Notes [SPOILERS]

90 Night Elf Hunter
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04/10/2013 08:30 PMPosted by Pyronaptor
What about Winterax?

The Winterax are kinda all antagonistic. Like the Skullsplitter or Mossflayer.

The Winterfang were basically what the Darkspear and Revantusk are. A smaller, weaker tribe pushed to the edges of the civilization, only they were in Zul'Drak.


What about the Shadowprey trolls on the coast of Desolace?
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90 Night Elf Druid
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04/10/2013 09:30 PMPosted by Kynrind

The Winterax are kinda all antagonistic. Like the Skullsplitter or Mossflayer.

The Winterfang were basically what the Darkspear and Revantusk are. A smaller, weaker tribe pushed to the edges of the civilization, only they were in Zul'Drak.


What about the Shadowprey trolls on the coast of Desolace?

Pretty sure Shadowprey Village is just a Darkspear town. There's no "Shadowprey tribe."
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90 Human Warlock
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Here's Voljin's Ally relevant dialog. I know some of this has been posted elsewhere, but I'm a little short of time to dig out and check screenshots, so here it is...

Vol'jin (Ally)
After a brief meeting w Amber and Sully, you do a quest in which you: Find some Kor'kron documents and then free Zen'tabra from a cage. She then escapes w/o further help from you. You go back to Sully and Amber and suggest that you go to Vol'jin and offer to help him to futher ally interests. You go to Vol'jins new camp (Razor Hill Watchtower), which is now a (small) sanctuary zone.

Vol'jin dialog header:
<The stench around Vol'jin's makeshift camp is intolerable. The troll leader allows you to speak first, while his guards eye you warily.>


Vol'jin quest: Vol'jin of the Darkspear (Finish)
<The troll does not have strong grasp of the common tongue, and his throat is still bandaged from a knife wound. But the meaning of his words is clear.>

What de Alliance want wit' ol Vol'jin, Hmm? Zen'tabra says we got a common enemy. That don't make us friends.

But... Maybe we can work together dis once. You want to strangle de Warchief, hm? Shut 'im out?

<Vol'jin smiles disarmingly, his grin slow and savage.>


Vol'jin Optional Dialog 1:
Question: Why are the Darkspear in rebellion against Garrosh?
<Vol'jin twists his face into a scowl.>

Yoi wouldn't understand. What's de Horde ta ya, human? Hm? Diseased? Alien? Betrayers? Demon-blooded? Beasts? I know what ya say 'bout us.

I'll tell ya what de Horde is. De Horde dat me an' Thrall built. It be a family. When de whole world try to put us down, de family come an' pick us back up.

Hellscream, he don't see family. Ain't never had one.

Question: What about Hellscream? What does the Horde mean to him?
For him, Horde be about orcs, an' buildin' up orc power. Like he just come through de portal. Anyone stand in his way, anyone tink diff'rent, he shut 'em up.

<Vol'jin runs his three-fingered hand across his scar.>

He like an angry dog. Oh, I fight next to Hellscream in battle, sure. But put him in charge? Ya askin' for trouble. He pick his favorites, start this war, shove bruddahs aside... He don't tink he need nobody else. Well, he wrong.

He gonna learn: ya never cross family.


Vol'jin Optional Dialog 2:
Question: Why should we help you? What if we kept the Barrens supplies for ourselves?
<Vol'jin cackles, the stench of his hot breath reeking in your nostrils.>

Oh, ya got annudda plan? I got anudda plan, too. I let ya siege Orgrimmar on ya own. See how far ya get. An' once da city be filled wit' corpses, den me shadow hunters come in, we mop up what left, kill Kor'kron an' Alliance alike. Give ya dead ta Sylvanas. Hmm! I save a lot a Darkspear lives wit' dis plan!

Mmnn? You don't like? Then we stay wit' da first plan. We work together.

We don't even have ta like each other.


New reply to the above added to PTR 4/18...

Question: [Call his bluff] Why don't WE wait until YOU attack Orgrimmar, and then mop up YOUR dead?
<Vol'jin sees his opportunity slipping away. He holds up his hands.>

Wait now, human! Orgrimmar be a fortress. My people, we ain't gonna crack dat nut on our own. How long we gonna last out here? Days? Weeks? Vol'jin can't say.

You keep da supplies commin', an' I promise, more Kor'kron gonna die. Before ya troops even land! The blood bein' spilt ain't even ya own! Surely dat be worth a few crates of meat?


Vol'jin Quest: Battlefield: Barrens
Ya want we work together on dis, ya gotta earn me trust.

In Northern Barrens, de Ko'kron be massin' for war. Hellscream's goons be stockpilin' lumber, oil, stone, an' meat. Supplies de Darkspear want ta use against 'im.

Go to de Barrens, Kill de Kor'kron. Bring me dem supplies! Fight dem whereever dey srping up, escort supply caravans, group up to take down de dangerous ones. Whatever ya gotta do.

Prove ta me da Alliance wants dis! I be watchin'.


Finish (after collecting stone, meat and oil for the Darkspear):
<Vol'jin motions to his guards to allow you to come forward and speak.>

De Barrens be splattered wit' blood, human. Ya done right by me.

Tell de Alliance ta rally its fleet. When de time comes, de Darkspear an' de other rebels will try ta hold de harbor for ya. Hellscream made too many enemies ta fight 'em all off at once, hah!

<The troll's face becomes deadly serious.>

Ya have me thanks, human. Dis rebellion only gonna get so far wit'out ya.

Voice:
Vol'jin: Very well. Ya earned me trust. I will put me faith in tha Alliance to do tha right ting.
Vol'jin: The Darkspear and her allies will attack orgrimmar by land, so that you can attack her by sea. It be the only way.


Completing this earns Darkspear Revolutionary title plus the letter from Varian.

Update 4/18. Now you won't get the achievement/title until you complete a subsequent (non-Vol'jin) quest.) Also title is now 'the Hordebreaker'.

Further Notes:
There's a Darkspear Rebellion Quartermaster, but there is no faction reputation associated with it. Quartermaster items are not dependent on (non-existent) rank but only on northern barrens loot (stone, lumber, meat, oil). There's a weekly quest for an additional special item, which is used in conjunction w the zones drops/faction rewards.

From Vol'jin comment plus Varian's letter, it appears the next major event is Alliance landing at Bloodfist Bay (the docks just to the SE of Orgimmar where the goblin ship landed). I don't know when that would happen. My guess would be later in 5.3, since 5.3 looks so think questwise right now. But perhaps it won't happen until 5.4.

Amber and Sully are only present for the initial arrival quests. Once you head off to Vol'jin, they're gone. Ally's zone work at this point will be exactly the same as the Hordes -- messing around in Northern Barrens, attacking Kor'kron outposts and commanders and escorting caravans -- and then turning the supplies over to the Darkspear.
Edited by Wreave on 4/18/2013 6:28 PM PDT
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Putting all of the 5.3 information in one spot sounds like a great idea Wreave.

I really liked reading all that information, especially the part of orcs rebelling against Hellscream.

Well here's Gamon in Orgrimmar and it looks like he's not a fan of the Kor'kron.

http://media.mmo-champion.com/images/news/2013/april/poorGamon.jpg
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90 Orc Warrior
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Am i the only one who finds it funny that Zentabra says "I'll take you to Vol'jin" then walks like 30 feet over to him?
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90 Troll Hunter
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What about the Shadowprey trolls on the coast of Desolace?

Yeah, what Reignac said. Shadowprey Village is a Darkspear Fishing Village. Just has a cool name.
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90 Human Warlock
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So Baine advises Vol'JIn that he might need to seek out allies from beyond the Horde.

Shaohao talks about pride and the need to admit that one needs help...and then the Alliance drops into Vol'Jin's lap...So either Blizzard's dropping a hint the size of an anvil into the Alliance camp...

Or there was no point behind ShaoHao's little speech since pride is mainly a Horde thing (and I'm not talking about players) and to lose one's pride is almost like death to them.
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90 Draenei Shaman
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Or there was no point behind ShaoHao's little speech since pride is mainly a Horde thing (and I'm not talking about players) and to lose one's pride is almost like death to them.


I cant help but feel they want it to apply to both side. We are the "Moira" in this little encounter with Vol'jin.
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90 Human Warlock
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04/11/2013 05:44 AMPosted by Zerde
Or there was no point behind ShaoHao's little speech since pride is mainly a Horde thing (and I'm not talking about players) and to lose one's pride is almost like death to them.


I cant help but feel they want it to apply to both side. We are the "Moira" in this little encounter with Vol'jin.


Meh, I still don't buy it. Moira needed to prove herself and her clan after their history with the other dwarves.

Vol'Jin is told bluntly that he needs outside help by Baine. He could've gone to the neutrals who in turn send word to the Alliance.

but to be honest...I give up. Blizzard knows that pride in the faction is the thing that Alliance players have been clamouring for and I'm of the opinion that just like Vol'Jin's flavour text, that ShaoHao's speech was mean't strictly for the Alliance, that pride is a bad thing.

After all we've seen our leaders overcome their pride...Varian in Wolfheart. Tyrande in A Little Patience (cringes...don't hurt me Kyn/Kyalin) and now Moira.

We've seen how bad pride can be for the Horde in Garrosh...but apparently the lesson is lost on Vol'Jin since his silence to Baine clearly indicates that he dislikes the idea. And his responses when the Alliance shows up indicates that he had either decided against allying with them, or was still trying to come to a decision.
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On the contrary, Vol'jin's silence to Baine is to Vol'jin's credit.

He doesn't like the idea. Why should he? He's willing to considerate it, though. He doesn't go ballistic and reject it out of hand. Just imagine Garrosh in this same situation and play it out. What would we see? Lots of chest thumping and general idiocy.

And when the occasion turns up, Vol'jin does in fact eventually cooperate with the Alliance.

This is all very grown up and believable to me.
Edited by Sybhyl on 4/11/2013 6:18 AM PDT
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90 Human Warlock
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On the contrary, Vol'jin's silence to Baine is to Vol'jin's credit.

He doesn't like the idea. Why should he? He's willing to considerate it, though. He doesn't go ballistic and reject it out of hand. Just imagine Garrosh in this same situation and play it out. What would we see? Lots of chest thumping and general idiocy.

And when the occasion turns up, Vol'jin does in fact eventually cooperate with the Alliance.

This is all very grown up and believable to me.


Sigh...

Like I said. There were other avenues besides the Alliance. Consider Vol'jin's speech to the Alliance player about what the Horde is about versus what he believes is said about them. Taken in context he could be saying that the Horde is a family and a family deals with it's own problems. But prove yourself to him and he'll work with you.

This is pride. He makes a small concession. Just like Thrall did after the slaughter of the Sentinels in The Shattering.

Also consider yourself as a Horde npc. When you hear how Vol'Jin browbeat an Alliance emissary and even made him back down (Vol'Jin's flavour text) wouldn't that make you feel proud and more willing to back the troll?
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90 Gnome Mage
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On the contrary, Vol'jin's silence to Baine is to Vol'jin's credit.

He doesn't like the idea. Why should he? He's willing to considerate it, though. He doesn't go ballistic and reject it out of hand. Just imagine Garrosh in this same situation and play it out. What would we see? Lots of chest thumping and general idiocy.

And when the occasion turns up, Vol'jin does in fact eventually cooperate with the Alliance.

This is all very grown up and believable to me.


Gonna disagree on the 'grown up' part. Vol'jin is being very prideful. Baine tells him he needs help from outside. When the Alliance saves his friend and offers help he responds with a demand that they prove themselves to him before he will accept help. He gets a 'Hey, you need help.' Then the help is offered and you have to coddle his pride before he is willing to take it.

And the silence to Baine could just have easily been just simply shrugging off the suggestion.

Really, everything Vol'jin says to the Alliance player screams 'pride'.
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90 Troll Hunter
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This all goes back to the Alliance taking such extreme issue with having to prove they can trust Vol'jin.

Which again, doesn't make sense. Why should he trust you? Because you think you're bigger and badder?
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90 Draenei Shaman
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Why should he trust you? Because you think you're bigger and badder?


Because his people will die without our help. If I had a choice I would leave him there and tell Varian about the rebellion, tell he we should leave them to their fate and wait to pick up the pieces. In the longer run, after Garrosh is deposed, the Alliance would be alot better off.

I get the same annoyed feeling after Starcraft 2(SPOILER HERE), we are told Zeratul and Raynor have to be the bigger man and save Kerrigan the fate of the universe depended on it, where as Kerrigan does nothing but kill off their people.
Edited by Zerde on 4/11/2013 7:01 AM PDT
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90 Troll Hunter
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Because his people will die without our help. If I had a choice I would leave him there and tell Varian about the rebellion, tell he we should leave them to their fate and wait to pick up the pieces. In the longer run, after Garrosh is deposed, the Alliance would be alot better off.

And Vol'jin says he can do the exact same thing.

And yet people don't believe him? I don't think he's lying.

Everyone for some reason believes that the Rebellion is a small, rag tag force. When it's not, It's the Trolls, Tauren, Forsaken, Blood Elves, Goblins, and some Orcs. They certainly can fight the long game if they have to. And they could save a lot of lives in the process.

But guess what? Vol'jin is swallowing that pride and working with the Alliance. He all but says he doesn't like it. But he's willing to do it. All he needs is proof that the Alliance won't stab him in the back.
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90 Draenei Shaman
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And Vol'jin says he can do the exact same thing.

And yet people don't believe him? I don't think he's lying.


Sure he can, but how many of his people will die before he completes his plan?

I just want an option to say to him "dont be so snide, your people will die without our help and you know it", make him remember he is not exactly in the best spot and that supply him was the Alliance's idea, not his.
Edited by Zerde on 4/11/2013 7:09 AM PDT
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90 Troll Hunter
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I just want an option to say to him "dont be so snide, your people will die without our help and you know it"

But you asked a snide question.
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90 Draenei Shaman
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But you asked a snide question.


Well considering how the Alliance PC get treated, and nearly killed, being snide seems natural.
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90 Troll Hunter
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Well considering how the Alliance PC get treated, and nearly killed, being snide seems natural.

Considering what Vol'jin has been through, being snide seems natural.
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