Uh. So it is again 'give us what we want or we'll take ' for the Horde? If the Horde wasn't always at war and would change it's warmongering and battle glorying culture, it wouldn't NEED to try and take what it feels it needs.
So if all the orcs would kindly go back into slavery and internment camps all would be well?
If the Horde would stop !@#$ing with their neighbors and learn to solve their economic problems by not using force to take what they want. What the Alliance wants the most from the Horde is for them to LEAVE THE ALLIANCE ALONE. To stop constantly encroaching on Alliance land and territory and to stop killing Alliance soldiers and citizens.
[quote]Ashenvale, Gilneas and Arathi are obvious Alliance land. The Horde shouldn't have -any- presence in those zones at all after MoP. To accept a Horde presence in those zones would and should not be acceptable to the Alliance at all. The Horde is the one that started this war, it should accept the consequences of it in a way that is NOT detrimental to the Alliance (as in the Horde maintaining a presence in Alliance homelands.
If it were not for the horde coming to Durotar, setting up camp and entrenching themselves the legion would have taken all of Azeroth. The Alliance was too busy squabbling within it self to effectively lead and manage Azeroth affairs.
The horde have earned their place in Azeroth, how and where is something that must be negotiated but trying to dish out table scraps will be met with hostility.
As to the question of ownership, if the forsaken was to raise the rightful owners of former Alliance held land, does that land then transition to the horde? They are still the same people in undeath as they were in life. How do you reconsile that?
Will you please stop using that BS excuse of 'the Horde was necessary to save Azeroth'? The Horde didn't do it to save Azeroth for anyone. They did it to save their own personal hides. Nothing more. There was no 'we did it to save the world' or 'for nature' or 'It's the right thing to do'. They did it for one reason and one reason only. To save their asses from Legion destruction. Nothing more.
Still, they did help save the world. Yay, good for them. but the first thing that happens after that? Thrall sends the Warsong back into Ashenvale, which he knew by then was Kaldorei territory. He let the forsaken run wild and create a bio-plague through torturous experimentation on living subjects. T
here's plenty of land unclaimed by the Alliance they could have set up shop in. Or they could have developed their own resources better and all (an old argument, but you get the idea, yes?). Helping save the world does NOT give the Horde any claim to Alliance land or resources. no more than the Alliance helping save the world gives the Alliance the right to set up mining camps, colonies and logging operations on Horde land. if the story had the Alliance doing that, Horde players would be rightfully calling BS on that.
I know at least one horde player hear was advocating that the orcs have a right to Ashenvale as payment for their helping to save the world in Hyjal. He's adamant about that even when it's pointed out that -no- other race that was there has demanded any payment at all from any of the pother races for Hyjal. His position is stupid, biased and a huge double standard, yet he maintains that it's only right and proper that the orcs get what they need from the Kaldorei and that the Kaldorei are all in the wrong for denying those resources to the orcs who d3esperately need them.