I was wondering What is the best BreakPoint

90 Pandaren Shaman
6095
Hi i have now 5676 haste 53% mastery.I was wondering What is the best BreakPoint at My ilvl 506 ilvl
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90 Night Elf Priest
5045
Weird, it's like 3 days ago, you asked this same question, but maybe only 5ilvls lower?

Edit: Helpful info, snark off:

From Elitist Jerks

There is a known bug affecting the behavior of HTT and HST regarding haste. It appears that HTT and HST will gain or lose a tick near their haste breakpoints due to latency issues and might randomly award another tick at arbitrary haste levels. The second part has led the resto community to believe that the haste breakpoints are wrong which is not the case. For all intent and purposes the Haste section and its theorycrafting will reflect the intended behavior of both of these abilities.

Personal observations (special thanks to Mimu for his valuable help) have proved the following. For more detailed information and the observed results refer to the discussion at #69. In short :

1. HST and HTT breakpoints are correct however if you have above 50 world latency chances are that you are going to lose a tick if you are very close to your haste breakpoint more often than not.
2. HTT breakpoints in practice will, to some extent, follow Healing Rains breakpoints. Note that both totems will not follow spell haste breakpoint calculation methods due to their fixed duration so there is no need for time adjustment in the formula (special thanks to Binkestein for his help on that). This means that even though HTT appears to almost coincide with HR breakpoints, by no means their formulas are the same.

[b]As a final note. With the latency issues all of HTT and HST breakpoints are fluid and very unreliable. Just because you hit a haste breakpoint you are not guaranteed an extra tick. It is not therefore recommended to aim for these soft haste caps. For more information on how to reforge do read on. For in-depth explanation refer to #71.

How to reforge Haste

Since HST and HTT extra ticks are for the most part dependent on your latency their first breakpoint of 3764(3306 for goblins) is greatly devalued. Aim for as low as 871 (441 for goblins) as you can. For this exact reason Ancestral Swiftness talent is also greatly devalued. Given the fact that Echo of the Elements doesn't synergize well with most spells Elemental Mastery talent becomes the strongest contender. As gear ilevels increase haste will become exponentially harder to control. Depending on your percentage of RT usage ,when 5676 (5199 for goblins) becomes easy to attain, you might want to reforge to it although it is not recommended since that one extra tick of the HoT portion will not make up for the loss of the throughput the other secondary stats would bring. At 7613 (7116 for goblins) HR gets an extra tick. In a situation where you're stuck at a high level of haste, it can be beneficial to go for that haste breakpoint, however, the throughput gained would generally not make up for the lost secondaries in other stats, specifically crit and mastery. Refer to Secondary Stats Priority and Reforging section of this guide for further information on Mastery vs Crit. As a rule of thumb, consider reforging to haste only when you are very close to the haste breakpoint and you cannot reforge out of it.

http://elitistjerks.com/f79/t130574-resto_its_raining_heals_5_2_a/#Haste

With this in mind, I'd say it might before overshooting by a little bit, in order to get your ..erm..hastes' worth.
Edited by Naérdriel on 5/2/2013 11:24 AM PDT
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90 Pandaren Shaman
6095
Tha

Weird, it's like 3 days ago, you asked this same question, but maybe only 5ilvls lower?

Edit: Helpful info, snark off:

From Elitist Jerks

There is a known bug affecting the behavior of HTT and HST regarding haste. It appears that HTT and HST will gain or lose a tick near their haste breakpoints due to latency issues and might randomly award another tick at arbitrary haste levels. The second part has led the resto community to believe that the haste breakpoints are wrong which is not the case. For all intent and purposes the Haste section and its theorycrafting will reflect the intended behavior of both of these abilities.

Personal observations (special thanks to Mimu for his valuable help) have proved the following. For more detailed information and the observed results refer to the discussion at #69. In short :

1. HST and HTT breakpoints are correct however if you have above 50 world latency chances are that you are going to lose a tick if you are very close to your haste breakpoint more often than not.
2. HTT breakpoints in practice will, to some extent, follow Healing Rains breakpoints. Note that both totems will not follow spell haste breakpoint calculation methods due to their fixed duration so there is no need for time adjustment in the formula (special thanks to Binkestein for his help on that). This means that even though HTT appears to almost coincide with HR breakpoints, by no means their formulas are the same.

[b]As a final note. With the latency issues all of HTT and HST breakpoints are fluid and very unreliable. Just because you hit a haste breakpoint you are not guaranteed an extra tick. It is not therefore recommended to aim for these soft haste caps. For more information on how to reforge do read on. For in-depth explanation refer to #71.

How to reforge Haste

Since HST and HTT extra ticks are for the most part dependent on your latency their first breakpoint of 3764(3306 for goblins) is greatly devalued. Aim for as low as 871 (441 for goblins) as you can. For this exact reason Ancestral Swiftness talent is also greatly devalued. Given the fact that Echo of the Elements doesn't synergize well with most spells Elemental Mastery talent becomes the strongest contender. As gear ilevels increase haste will become exponentially harder to control. Depending on your percentage of RT usage ,when 5676 (5199 for goblins) becomes easy to attain, you might want to reforge to it although it is not recommended since that one extra tick of the HoT portion will not make up for the loss of the throughput the other secondary stats would bring. At 7613 (7116 for goblins) HR gets an extra tick. In a situation where you're stuck at a high level of haste, it can be beneficial to go for that haste breakpoint, however, the throughput gained would generally not make up for the lost secondaries in other stats, specifically crit and mastery. Refer to Secondary Stats Priority and Reforging section of this guide for further information on Mastery vs Crit. As a rule of thumb, consider reforging to haste only when you are very close to the haste breakpoint and you cannot reforge out of it.

http://elitistjerks.com/f79/t130574-resto_its_raining_heals_5_2_a/#Haste

With this in mind, I'd say it might before overshooting by a little bit, in order to get your ..erm..hastes' worth.


Thanks I have 35 latency ms But 7613 is the best u think? :)
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90 Night Elf Priest
5045
You know, I'd wait for one of shaman masters to come around... They will be able to do more than regurgitate theory crafting numbers for you.

They also have raid experience on shamans, which will be invaluable insight...
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90 Human Paladin
15480
3764 imo, latency has nothing to do with anything and is just someone guessing they know what the problem is.
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90 Night Elf Priest
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3764 imo, latency has nothing to do with anything and is just someone guessing they know what the problem is.


You're kidding me, right?

Latency is one of the variables in haste break point theory crafting.
Edited by Naérdriel on 5/2/2013 12:40 PM PDT
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90 Human Paladin
15480
You're kidding me, right? Latency is one of the factors in haste break point theory crafting.


So, do this and tell me how it works.

1) Level a shaman to that break point. Check ticks. Check latency. See it works 50/50.
2) Level resto druid and try 3043 on same exact server with same exact latency and see it works 100% of the time.
3) Let me know your results
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90 Night Elf Priest
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05/02/2013 12:42 PMPosted by Taelaus
You're kidding me, right? Latency is one of the factors in haste break point theory crafting.


So, do this and tell me how it works.

1) Level a shaman to that break point. Check ticks. Check latency. See it works 50/50.
2) Level resto druid and try 3043 on same exact server with same exact latency and see it works 100% of the time.
3) Let me know your results


Could be internal, but regardless, padding the haste if you're overgeared for the haste break point seems to work. If it's a struggle, it's more ideal to drop down to the previous haste break point.

http://elitistjerks.com/f79/t130574-resto_its_raining_heals_5_2_a/p5/#post2225530

It is a bug, but that means that there could be something between input and server response that can be overcome with haste padding. That's what they're pointing at. It's not with haste itself, but with the shaman skills.
Edited by Naérdriel on 5/2/2013 12:48 PM PDT
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90 Human Paladin
15480
You can link EJ all you want. I stacked haste to 4000 and got the same results.

EJ is a nice reference an all but i spent 3-4 days dropping totems and made a spread sheet. Did it with SP Haste Buff, without, naked, ect. I do most of my testing myself as i don't believe everything i read.

Now i will digress as i do not wish to hijack this thread.
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90 Night Elf Priest
5045
You can link EJ all you want. I stacked haste to 4000 and got the same results.

EJ is a nice reference an all but i spent 3-4 days dropping totems and made a spread sheet. Did it with SP Haste Buff, without, naked, ect. I do most of my testing myself as i don't believe everything i read.

Now i will digress as i do not wish to hijack this thread.


Well, they obviously pad the results to some degree such that it can work for more than just one person. Great, you're not seemingly affected by the bug.

But other people are.
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90 Draenei Shaman
12770
/shrug - I'm inclined to believe the *intensive* theorycrafting done by Vixsin of ej and Binkenstein of Totemspot, but in the end, all that matters is that totem Haste breakpoints are buggy. It's really bad for some people, and others aren't affected by it much, or at all.

However, just because we can reach the 7613 breakpoint in T15 gear doesn't mean every shaman's going to decide to go for it; in 10man raiding especially, shamans may gear for it situationally, for whatever fight their group is currently wiping on. Working towards a first Megaera kill would be a prime example of a fight it was worth sinking those itemization points into, because of the huge amount of healing HR does for shamans on that fight.

For working towards a first kill for other fights (10man Ji-kun springs to mind, if you're on nest duty, or 10man Duru), perhaps sinking those *thousands* of itemization points into Crit would be more useful. Just be sure to keep enough Haste to maintain the 3767 breakpoint (padded with however much extra Haste you seem to need to make the breakpoint consistent for your toon), because the totem breakpoints are useful in every situation, so long as you *are* indeed getting your extra ticks.
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