Thunder King = Qin Shi Huang?

90 Draenei Hunter
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qin_Shi_Huang

Qin Shi Huang (Qin Dynasty of China) - Lei Shen (First Empire/Mogu Dynasty)

- First emperor to fully unify China (by force) - First Emperor to fully unify Pandaria
- Had vast amounts of slaves built the Great Wall - Enslaved many races to built the Great Wall
- Burned "prohibited" books and murdered scholars - Wiped out pre-emprie pandaren culture
- Dynasty was overthrown shortly after his death - After the thunder king died the
Pandaren rebelled and won the revolution

Anything I am missing here? I knew about this guy even before MoP so this is no suprise to me. You think Blizzard modeled the thunder king after this real historical figure?

Edit: It appears this topic has already been discussed before. In fact, the OP of this thread does a much better job of making my case: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/8087999406 Do not necro that thread. Instead post your response here.
Edited by Kalorea on 5/5/2013 4:08 PM PDT
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55 Draenei Death Knight
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Yep, based it on the first chinese emperor.
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90 Blood Elf Warlock
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Except one is still respected for building the cultural, linguistic and nationalistic foundations of a modern-day state and rising superpower and the other is... a flavorless wannabe.

Li Shen did nothing productive and is hated in Pandaria.
Shi Huang is, if not extolled, still celebrated and respected in China as a great man by a great many.

But yes, one is sort of a sad inspiration of the other, rendered down into WoW's preferred 13-year-old pure-black and white cartoon world.
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You don't consider providing his subjects with a permanent defensive fortification against the mantid, managed to centralize a continent that'd previously been nothing but warlords and their small claims of land, and lead some of the mogu's most influential magical research to be important?

Granted, yes, he was a brutal bastard during his rule, but that doesn't detract from his very real contributions to Pandaria.
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90 Draenei Hunter
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Except one is still respected for building the cultural, linguistic and nationalistic foundations of a modern-day state and rising superpower and the other is... a flavorless wannabe.

Li Shen did nothing productive and is hated in Pandaria.
Shi Huang is, if not extolled, still celebrated and respected in China as a great man by a great many.

But yes, one is sort of a sad inspiration of the other, rendered down into WoW's preferred 13-year-old pure-black and white cartoon world.


Put in a modern day perspective you could say that about Qin.

However I would find it hard to believe anyone outside his immediate circle cared for him back then because he was a cruel tyrant like Lei Shen and his creulty bordered on insane. It's no wonder when he died they overthrew his son.

In this regard he shares the same spot with Lei Shen on being a horrible tyrant.
Edited by Kalorea on 5/5/2013 7:08 PM PDT
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90 Undead Death Knight
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Except one is still respected for building the cultural, linguistic and nationalistic foundations of a modern-day state and rising superpower and the other is... a flavorless wannabe.

Li Shen did nothing productive and is hated in Pandaria.
Shi Huang is, if not extolled, still celebrated and respected in China as a great man by a great many.

But yes, one is sort of a sad inspiration of the other, rendered down into WoW's preferred 13-year-old pure-black and white cartoon world.
Lei Shen "unified the language, established a single currency and standardized weight and measures".

Most of the surviving infrastructure was most likely established at his behest.

And in case you didn't realize, he established a thriving (not happy, mind you) empire spanning over half the continent.
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90 Night Elf Hunter
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Was Qin Shi Huang an electric gorilla?
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63 Draenei Paladin
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Does the Communist Party of China like Qin Shi Huang or hate him?
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90 Draenei Hunter
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Does the Communist Party of China like Qin Shi Huang or hate him?


Considering he was an oppressor of the peasants and what china calls the common people I doubt it.
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90 Draenei Paladin
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Does the Communist Party of China like Qin Shi Huang or hate him?
theyd probably erase him from history if they could.

that seems to be a thing in china.
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90 Blood Elf Warlock
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Many Chinese, communist or not, see the First Emperor as the one who laid the cultural and geographic foundations for the Chinese state - a state they see as inviolable and indivisible (despite China practically dividing itself up many times in history, as Warring States, it does tend to end up becoming 'China' again and again).

He's seen as a tyrant in the same way we in the west tend to view Caesar (ironically, actually since most people have a very warped concept of what the Roman 'Republic' he destroyed actually involved and how it was organized). Which is to say: the view is generally either a classically 'romantic' or a 'tragic' one.

FFW to the present and make the comparison and there is no "unified Pandaria" in the sense that China has striven to be unified, it is riven by ethnic conflict (if the Pandas are supposed to be the Han, then they're doing a !@#$ty job of it) and, perhaps most damning to the comparison, we are also told that Li Shen was not his own first Emperor, he just wrecked the Jinyu who actually came first or something like that.

I think many may not understand that the First Emp in China is a potent nationalist symbol.

Li Shen... isn't, unless you're a mindless evil mogu.
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90 Blood Elf Warlock
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He's at least inspired by Qin Shi Huang, if in a very shallow way.
He brutally oppressed his subject, used them to build ridiculous fortifications and crushed even the smallest pockets of dissent.
And the 'warriors of living stone' stuff is totally lifted from Qin's tomb, the famous 'Terracotta Warriors'.

And the Communist Party in China was originally compared to Qin Shi Huang, what with all the totalitarianism, purges, book burning, etc.
Leave it to Chairman Mao, who presided over the most murderous regime in human history, to say "No, that's not accurate. What he was doing is small potatoes compared to what we're doing."
After the Party was entrenched, any symbol of nationalism and allegiance to the State worked in the Party's favor.

But yes, he was inspired by Qin Shi Huang, at least superficially.
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