So. . Defensive Stance back to 25%?

90 Human Warrior
uhh
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But how does that help us? I mean we're still going to be rage starved and forced to go into arms which means we stay in Defensive Stance 95% of the time and for that 5% burst time we switch to arms then back? No offensive pressure whatsoever.. ? Would we have to peel with our burst? Lol.
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90 Undead Warrior
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It's a broken class. The more "balanced" a warrior is in numbers vs other classes, the more overpowered the class becomes.

If you want fair, reroll.
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90 Orc Warrior
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Its a start! Its better than 15% so lets not kiss a gift horse on the mouth...
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90 Human Warrior
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What are you saying? every glad warrior I know still stays in Defensive Stance for the entire duration on an arena match. Sure you do lots of damage in Battle Stance but with Glyph of Bull Rush, Juggernaught and not hitting Heroic Strike you can do good damage while surviving.

You know what they say, a dead dps doesn't do damage.
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100 Orc Warrior
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You know what they say, a dead dps doesn't do damage.


You know what else they say?

"Don't get a Warrior, DKs are better."
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90 Tauren Warrior
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I want to know when they will make zerker stance meaningful. Does anyone, at anytime, go to zerker stance? 1 rage for 1% of health lost? At ~400k health as arms, this is meaningless beyond belief.
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90 Human Warrior
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05/14/2013 06:45 PMPosted by Garrum
You know what they say, a dead dps doesn't do damage.


You know what else they say?

"Don't get a Warrior, DKs are better."


Take the player not the class.

P.S. (Offtopic) 4% "Magically" is 12%
Edited by Ðeaven on 5/14/2013 6:59 PM PDT
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90 Worgen Warrior
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P.S. (Offtopic) 4% "Magically" is 12%


But that's unpossiblé!

What's that make our 25% def stance mr magic boi? 80%?

But really though, 25% dstance is awesome. Along with the pvp power nerf, we will be able to sit at 35% for ages and wear our enemies down.
That and the 3 min s.wall too:D
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100 Human Warrior
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05/14/2013 07:58 PMPosted by Rëbecca
P.S. (Offtopic) 4% "Magically" is 12%


But that's unpossiblé!

What's that make our 25% def stance mr magic boi? 80%?


25% def stance is 25%.
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90 Worgen Warrior
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05/14/2013 08:09 PMPosted by Secondwind


But that's unpossiblé!

What's that make our 25% def stance mr magic boi? 80%?


25% def stance is 25%.


he was referencing another thread

but actually, in what way does 25% reduce the damage?
assuming 100k incoming (already modified with power) it is 40k with 60% resil, and then that is reduced to 30k? (40k*.75)
Im not good at the wow maths because I cant apply my bedmas to it!
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100 Orc Warrior
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05/14/2013 06:58 PMPosted by Ðeaven


You know what else they say?

"Don't get a Warrior, DKs are better."


Take the player not the class.

P.S. (Offtopic) 4% "Magically" is 12%


Are you really that small of a person to bring that into a different thread? Jump on the Swifty v2.0 bandwagon and suddenly you need to start throwing attitude over the tiniest of things?

PS: Tell your 'daddy' to get some new material.
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90 Worgen Warrior
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Take the player not the class.

P.S. (Offtopic) 4% "Magically" is 12%


Are you really that small of a person to bring that into a different thread? Jump on the Swifty v2.0 bandwagon and suddenly you need to start throwing attitude over the tiniest of things?

PS: Tell your 'daddy' to get some new material.


i think its because you whine about warriors so much... that not very warrior-like
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90 Human Warrior
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25% def stance is 25%.


he was referencing another thread

but actually, in what way does 25% reduce the damage?
assuming 100k incoming (already modified with power) it is 40k with 60% resil, and then that is reduced to 30k? (40k*.75)
Im not good at the wow maths because I cant apply my bedmas to it!


Resilience holds priority first, an easy example: Lets say we're goona get hit with a 100k (conservative) Mage burst. Resilience has already been taking into account (it would have been much higher if not!), now in battle stance you would take the 100k, but in defensive stance you will take 75k! It applies after resilience and reduces the damage you'll take by 25%
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90 Worgen Warrior
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ty
its pretty simple then:)
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100 Human Warrior
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he was referencing another thread

but actually, in what way does 25% reduce the damage?
assuming 100k incoming (already modified with power) it is 40k with 60% resil, and then that is reduced to 30k? (40k*.75)
Im not good at the wow maths because I cant apply my bedmas to it!


Resilience holds priority first, an easy example: Lets say we're goona get hit with a 100k (conservative) Mage burst. Resilience has already been taking into account (it would have been much higher if not!), now in battle stance you would take the 100k, but in defensive stance you will take 75k! It applies after resilience and reduces the damage you'll take by 25%


FWIW it doesn't matter which one you apply first. Basic laws of math, what order you multiply things doesn't matter, it all comes out the same.

Example: You have an attack that will be reduced by 25% Defensive Stance, 50% Armor, and 75% resilience. Base damage of the attack is 300k damage.

Apply in the order listed, you get 300k->225k->112.5k->28.125k

Apply Resilience > Def Stance > Armor, and you get 300k->75k->56.25k->28,125

Also, any other (different) source of damage reduction gets multiplied in the same way. So say you equip a shield and block the attack in question. It reduces damage by 30%, which brings the damage down to 19,687.5 damage. You pop shield wall during this for another 40% reduction, and it goes down to 11,812.5 damage. You also pop die by the sword for another 20%, and it goes down to 9,450 damage.

But wait! Turns out the ability wasn't physical. So Armor and Block don't apply. Now that damage jumps back up to 27k. (dividing by .5 and .7 respectively).

The reason why Resilience's value scales non-linearly is because rather than being a new modifier being multiplied in, it adds to a value already in the equation. So taking the above example, if we want to add in 5% more resilience, we don't just multiply by .95 (as a 5% damage reduction might indicate), instead we divide by .25 (to get the value of the damage pre-resilience), showing us a value of 108k. We then multiply it by .2 (the value of the resilience after adding it back in), giving us a total of 21.6k. Or an overal shift of 20% less damage taken by adding +5% resilience.

Which if you think about it, makes sense. Resilience blocks 75% of all incoming damage. 5% is 1/5th of the remaining 25% damage you are taking. So adding +5% resilience actually drops the damage resilience lets through by 20%.

And after writing all that I realize that Resilience's base value is probably 65% not 75%, but the above should still be good for demonstration purposes, if not for accuracy. I probably should not be posting on these forums while tired.
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90 Worgen Warrior
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okay that makes sense too.
originally i was just adding def stance in with the res, but of course that doesnt even work with my bedmas's!
65%+25%+40%(SW)= OH NOES THE GUY IS ACTUALLY HEALING ME WITH HIS ATTACKS!

but really, it does make more sense now.

anyone know the (averagish) SEP values of Power/Res(-values i suppose) by chance?
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90 Human Warrior
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defensive stance buff will help immensely in pvp. currently i dance when i know big damage is coming or im getting tunneled. also for surviving openers its a huge buff.

but i wouldnt look into our surviviability too much without looking at other class changes. alot of our problem classes are getting nerfs in 5.3

i think warriors will be in a really good spot.
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90 Human Warrior
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05/14/2013 06:45 PMPosted by Garrum
You know what they say, a dead dps doesn't do damage.


You know what else they say?

"Don't get a Warrior, DKs are better."


this attitude annoys me, whats funny is 95% of the time its the person saying this who is bad and just wants an excuse.

every challenge mode i tanked i had some retard say lets grab a dk tank, but i finished em with golds.

every healer/dps i replaced saying i couldnt get 2.2k because warriors suck i replaced.

dont fall for this kind of remark/attitude warriors.

i watch this !@#$ and get pumped up to be better than the naysayers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b26ge-UfjDE
Edited by Kagan on 5/15/2013 3:30 AM PDT
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90 Human Warrior
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i think its because you whine about warriors so much... that not very warrior-like


Exactly

Are you really that small of a person to bring that into a different thread? Jump on the Swifty v2.0 bandwagon and suddenly you need to start throwing attitude over the tiniest of things?

PS: Tell your 'daddy' to get some new material.


Thank you, you just made my morning.

What's that make our 25% def stance mr magic boi? 80%?

Like Second Said, 25% is 25%
Like 67% resil is 67% Resil
But the diffrence between 15% and 25% is 13.33% :3
Edited by Ðeaven on 5/15/2013 1:02 PM PDT
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