05/09/2013 02:24 PM
Posted by Perkee
C'mon, you didn't honestly think Paladins were actually going to go a whole patch without being nerfed in some way, did you?
Well, Battle Healer nerfed. SoTR nerfed, am I surprised?
No not really. Were we broken? No we weren't, Brewmasters are rediculously strong right now as well.
Do Warriors and DK's need some tank lovin? Yea maybe, but what good is a nerf if it can be completely ignored and proven practically pointless...
What a coincidence that i pass by on this note. I'm just curious to see how you think we are ridiculously strong (assumed you are implying we are broken) we have strengths and weakness like every other tank but I felt prot pallys were broken.
you are the only tank class that I feel has all of its bases covered in terms of tanking and mitigation.
dk's are weak to multiple adds and technically mitigate the least damage so they heal them selves (importantly only themselves)
warrior for the most part have most things covered but spell reflection doesn't work on most bosses so their only magic damage mitigater is normal CD's or shield barrier spam they also outside of their 3 minute banners and shout do little for the raid and their multi target aggro is a bit tricky and to me they seem to scale the least of the tanks with gear.
brewmasters take the most amount of damage period they can mitigate it effectively and are avoidance masters but they are also by far the most skill intensive tank class and it relies on skill to mitigate effectively and are probably the most vulnerable to sustained spell damage with a majority of their tank tools useless on spell damage.
bears i know the least of but from what I know their "shield barrier is just heal which is hard to not over heal with general non intense damage they too are reliant on avoidance and can be susceptible to spell damage I can't comment to much on them but I hear they are in a bad place most agreeing they are in the worst place out of all of them.
Paladins however are strong in basically every category that you would have for a tank.
They mitigate physical damage very effectively with enough mastery you can have a perma crit block with no charge cooldown gating use.
They have good single target threat and damage nothing amazing but definitely up there.
They have an enormous amount of mitigating and survival cooldowns
They have good sustained aoe dmg and threat with instant cast threat coming from HotR.
They can mitigate spell damage with any number of cooldowns specially the low cooldown 40% spell reduction cd.
They can self heal with WoG/EF which also gets buffed with mastery.
They can self absorb with SS
They have probably the highest shared benefit for a raid with the healing from battle healer which ive seen in some logs rival most normal ToT healers and their many other pally raid cooldowns.
Every stat including dps stats other then crit are very useful to them specifically haste a dps stat.
Am I missing anything for them? They are the only tank that I believe effectively covers all his bases not only doing that but going above and beyond on most of them. The only thing pallys may lack in is pure damage which is low compared to brewmaster but they also have battle healer to consider which to me is 1 of the most ridiculous glyph's and that alone puts pally's up there as 1 of the best tanks.
May have been a large ramble but I'm just saying I do feel bad that you are getting nerfed mostly cause Im working on a prot set on my paladin but I am more sad about warriors and druids. druids may be bull!@#$ and maybe they are amazing I've just heard pretty universally that they are not that great of tanks in comparison. Warriors aren't particularly in a bad place but compared to everyone else they just don't seem to scale with stats as hard. mastery will only allow you to block and crit block more but does not increase the mitigation of either and shield block already gives 100% block so really its just for more crit block which again can be out done (mitigation wise) by a pally that also has no charge cooldown.