Frinkls. Pls no DDoS

90 Human Paladin
9865
Frinkls ddos'd me yesterday along with a bunch of <Warsong Failathon> members. upon my death he then carried on with /emotes. Such a childish move if you asked me.
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90 Dwarf Shaman
5185
What is DDOS?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denial-of-service_attack

Read it but do not get involved in it. It is pretty much sending four lanes of cars through a two lane tunnel except with packets and the routersphere where the internets live.

On a more serious note though;

Speaking as ex-special investigations from a gaming community; majority of "DDOSer's" are kids who toss down $12 from Mommy's credit card to press a magic button that gets them what they want.

Until they get caught and in some cases it is better law enforcement catches them than certain people on the internet from what I have seen- good many horror stories there.
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100 Troll Druid
9005
05/22/2013 02:28 AMPosted by Recyclemanx
Lol I can't even begin to entertain the idea that Frinkls would do such a thing tbh :\


Some would never think Return would buy a pilot, but it happens.


You seems obsessed with the Corporation and/or Return lately.

Stop being such a nut hugger...

P.S.
Have a nice day!!!!
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100 Goblin Warlock
9650
Just wanted to post, this thread made me happy today :) Not because of the un-founded allegations, but because of the response. You guys are awesome :D
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100 Troll Druid
9005
05/22/2013 10:02 AMPosted by Orium
What is DDOS?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denial-of-service_attack

Read it but do not get involved in it. It is pretty much sending four lanes of cars through a two lane tunnel except with packets and the routersphere where the internets live.

On a more serious note though;

Speaking as ex-special investigations from a gaming community; majority of "DDOSer's" are kids who toss down $12 from Mommy's credit card to press a magic button that gets them what they want.

Until they get caught and in some cases it is better law enforcement catches them than certain people on the internet from what I have seen- good many horror stories there.


^ This.

To make an actually DDOS yourself (no script kiddies), you pretty much have to be an virus coder and have access to some serious networking equipment/knowledge to pull off such a thing.

A DDOS isn't done off 1 computer, we're talking about hundreds/thousands of them...
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90 Troll Druid
12850
05/22/2013 10:10 AMPosted by Inflikted


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denial-of-service_attack

Read it but do not get involved in it. It is pretty much sending four lanes of cars through a two lane tunnel except with packets and the routersphere where the internets live.

On a more serious note though;

Speaking as ex-special investigations from a gaming community; majority of "DDOSer's" are kids who toss down $12 from Mommy's credit card to press a magic button that gets them what they want.

Until they get caught and in some cases it is better law enforcement catches them than certain people on the internet from what I have seen- good many horror stories there.


^ This.

To make an actually DDOS yourself (no script kiddies), you pretty much have to be an virus coder and have access to some serious networking equipment/knowledge to pull off such a thing.

A DDOS isn't done off 1 computer, we're talking about hundreds/thousands of them...

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<tinFoil_hat>WSB requires more than one guild for membership in order to promote DDOS attacks on their enemies.</tinFoil_hat>

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90 Dwarf Shaman
5185
^ This.

To make an actually DDOS yourself (no script kiddies), you pretty much have to be an virus coder and have access to some serious networking equipment/knowledge to pull off such a thing.

A DDOS isn't done off 1 computer, we're talking about hundreds/thousands of them...


"but guise peeple do not hav 1000 computer"
WRONG!

Compromised computers make up a "Botnet". Your computer could be part of one right now just by opening that E-mail attachment.

A lot of times they go largely unseen until it is too late. Sure people know a virus is mass infecting computers at an insane rate but we do not know why until an attack happens.

EDIT: An interesting read: http://www.redorbit.com/news/business/1897490/hacker_arrested_for_famous_botnet_virus/
Edited by Orium on 5/22/2013 10:15 AM PDT
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93 Worgen Druid
8285
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First, it is relatively difficult to DDOS unless you are using Skype and by relatively I mean extremely difficult. Second, if you are really pushing rank and are that worried about DDOSing get a proxy.

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100 Troll Druid
9005
^ This.

To make an actually DDOS yourself (no script kiddies), you pretty much have to be an virus coder and have access to some serious networking equipment/knowledge to pull off such a thing.

A DDOS isn't done off 1 computer, we're talking about hundreds/thousands of them...


"but guise peeple do not hav 1000 computer"
WRONG!

Compromised computers make up a "Botnet". Your computer could be part of one right now just by opening that E-mail attachment.

A lot of times they go largely unseen until it is too late. Sure people know a virus is mass infecting computers at an insane rate but we do not know why until an attack happens.

EDIT: An interesting read: http://www.redorbit.com/news/business/1897490/hacker_arrested_for_famous_botnet_virus/


That was more or less a simple explanation of it.

I'm bored at work so I'll get into some detail.

Yes there are the exceptional examples of DDOS'ers, but they're rarely home users (most wouldn't even know how to access one), the "pros" to do it for financial gains or political ones and these are the ones that knock sh*t out.

This day and age, you would need a army of zombies (bnet) to successfully pull of a DDOS. Most ISP would have that type of traffic killed on their backend after a few seconds of detecting a flood, which would make it a moot point to call it a DDOS attack. (Think about the Blizzard network)

If someone is flooding with a single or even a dozen IPs, the impact would be so minimal it wouldn't show up. To make a DDOS attack work, you need to overwhelm the switches and routers, which takes a large amount of resources to pull it off, and which all have to be "controlled" by some sort of group/person. (DDOS attacks are not random as per se)

But really, I'm getting into the technical aspect of this argument (which would go over the head of most ppl here, no offence).

I was just keeping it simple to reflect that it's highly doubtful someone would go through all this trouble to DDOS a gamer.

Possible? Yes
Reality? Probably not

Now where's my coffee....
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100 Troll Druid
9005
opps... lol

bnet>botnet
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90 Gnome Priest
7865
Just wanted to post, this thread made me happy today :) Not because of the un-founded allegations, but because of the response. You guys are awesome :D


It's because i don't think of you as Undead Drone #4471 of WSB. I will always remember that beneath the Frinkls that submitted his will to the Hivemind, there still lives a tiny but fierce Gnome Warlock of <Bold As Lions> that I gladly fought beside.
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93 Worgen Druid
8285


"but guise peeple do not hav 1000 computer"
WRONG!

Compromised computers make up a "Botnet". Your computer could be part of one right now just by opening that E-mail attachment.

A lot of times they go largely unseen until it is too late. Sure people know a virus is mass infecting computers at an insane rate but we do not know why until an attack happens.

EDIT: An interesting read: http://www.redorbit.com/news/business/1897490/hacker_arrested_for_famous_botnet_virus/


That was more or less a simple explanation of it.

I'm bored at work so I'll get into some detail.

Yes there are the exceptional examples of DDOS'ers, but they're rarely home users (most wouldn't even know how to access one), the "pros" to do it for financial gains or political ones and these are the ones that knock sh*t out.

This day and age, you would need a army of zombies (bnet) to successfully pull of a DDOS. Most ISP would have that type of traffic killed on their backend after a few seconds of detecting a flood, which would make it a moot point to call it a DDOS attack. (Think about the Blizzard network)

If someone is flooding with a single or even a dozen IPs, the impact would be so minimal it wouldn't show up. To make a DDOS attack work, you need to overwhelm the switches and routers, which takes a large amount of resources to pull it off, and which all have to be "controlled" by some sort of group/person. (DDOS attacks are not random as per se)

But really, I'm getting into the technical aspect of this argument (which would go over the head of most ppl here, no offence).

I was just keeping it simple to reflect that it's highly doubtful someone would go through all this trouble to DDOS a gamer.

Possible? Yes
Reality? Probably not

Now where's my coffee....


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I am asking this for my own edification. Wouldn't a DDoSer slow his own internet stream down by slamming it with outgoing packets as well? Thus, why there is a need for the Distributed part of the DDoS?

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100 Troll Druid
9005
Typically no, the dirty work is done by the other "controlled" devices like (compromised PCs, routers, etc etc). His PC would only be used to initiate the attack.

If he was smart, he'd have a dedicated server as a controller, which he'd log into.

Not to say you can't do it on your own PC, but you'd get caught pretty fast by the cops via the ISP ratting on you.
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Recyclemanx is actually a multi rank 1 glad on the Japenese servers and was the highest rated player in Japan in 2010 and 2011.
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90 Human Paladin
15230
05/22/2013 10:59 AMPosted by Pythes
Just wanted to post, this thread made me happy today :) Not because of the un-founded allegations, but because of the response. You guys are awesome :D


It's because i don't think of you as Undead Drone #4471 of WSB. I will always remember that beneath the Frinkls that submitted his will to the Hivemind, there still lives a tiny but fierce Gnome Warlock of <Bold As Lions> that I gladly fought beside.


I also really don't see WSB engaging in DDOSing. This is the same guild that didn't know how to check a person's alts after all :P <3
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100 Troll Druid
9005
05/22/2013 12:20 PMPosted by Urivial


It's because i don't think of you as Undead Drone #4471 of WSB. I will always remember that beneath the Frinkls that submitted his will to the Hivemind, there still lives a tiny but fierce Gnome Warlock of <Bold As Lions> that I gladly fought beside.


I also really don't see WSB engaging in DDOSing. This is the same guild that didn't know how to check a person's alts after all :P <3


SHOTS FIRED!!!!!!!!!!!!! :p
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90 Undead Priest
7545
I also really don't see WSB engaging in DDOSing. This is the same guild that didn't know how to check a person's alts after all :P <


lol As@%^le
Edited by Milkydud on 5/22/2013 12:36 PM PDT
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90 Human Paladin
15230
I also really don't see WSB engaging in DDOSing. This is the same guild that didn't know how to check a person's alts after all :P <


lol As@%^le


You know I love you Milky.
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100 Blood Elf Death Knight
8560
Frinkls ddos'd me yesterday along with a bunch of <Warsong Failathon> members. upon my death he then carried on with /emotes. Such a childish move if you asked me.


Because the first day of a new patch never causes lag and disconnects....
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10 Night Elf Druid
4490
SHOTS FIRED!!!!!!!!!!!!! :p [/quote]

POW POW!
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