Ret & Haste: How should I Gem?

100 Draenei Paladin
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I've had several contradictory answers in this regard so decided to ask here to put my questions to rest.

I realize Haste is very important to Retribution, but how important should it be? Should I be filling every yellow gem/prismatic socket with full Haste gems as I've seen several do or should I be setting a balance of Str/Haste instead?
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90 Blood Elf Paladin
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Haste is valuable to Ret. Specifically, haste is about .55 times as valuable as Strength - this varies somewhat depending on your gear setup, but it's around there. This means that a 320 haste gem is better than a 160haste/80str gem, because the extra 160 haste is worth ~88 Str - which is to say, only very slightly more than the orange gem. Any socket bonus, even a relatively weak stat like crit (which is worth ~.4 times as much as Str), will more than make up that 8-Str advantage.

So it is always worthwhile to use hybrid haste/str gems in red sockets. A similar argument holds for haste/hit gems in blue sockets, unless you already have more hit than you can reforge out of.
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90 Human Paladin
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Haste is valuable to Ret. Specifically, haste is about .55 times as valuable as Strength - this varies somewhat depending on your gear setup, but it's around there. This means that a 320 haste gem is better than a 160haste/80str gem, because the extra 160 haste is worth ~88 Str - which is to say, only very slightly more than the orange gem. Any socket bonus, even a relatively weak stat like crit (which is worth ~.4 times as much as Str), will more than make up that 8-Str advantage.

So it is always worthwhile to use hybrid haste/str gems in red sockets. A similar argument holds for haste/hit gems in blue sockets, unless you already have more hit than you can reforge out of.


So wait, why do you have straight str gems in your red sockets?
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90 Blood Elf Paladin
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For my non-Serpent's Eye gems, I don't. I just happen to have only two red sockets right now, or you'd see some Fierce Vermilion Onyx.

Serpent's Eyes don't come in hybrid cuts, and they get 1.5x secondary stats instead of 2x secondary stats. So my options are:
1) Use a 480 haste gem instead of a 320 haste gem in a yellow socket (gain +160 haste)
2) Use a 320 Str gem instead of a 160 haste/80 str gem in a red socket (gain 240 str, lose 160 haste)

So the tradeoff between the two is 240 Strength for 320 Haste. Since each point of haste is worth .58 strength (I've simmed my own profile, so I have the actual value for my own gear, rather than a ballpark figure), 320 haste is as good as 186 strength, so the Bold Serpent's Eyes are favorable.

But that's all because Serpent's Eyes are a weird special case.
Edited by Ravicana on 6/1/2013 5:05 PM PDT
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90 Tauren Paladin
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So wait, why do you have straight str gems in your red sockets?

Serpent's Eyes are the exception. They don't get the doubled amounts on secondary stat gems, so Bold is better (unless your personal stat weights have haste more than 2/3 as good as strength).
Edited by Keten on 6/1/2013 5:05 PM PDT
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90 Blood Elf Paladin
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Technically, the threshold would be 2/3 for prismatic sockets, but in a color-matching socket the threshold is actually 3/4, for opportunity cost reasons: the yellow gem being replaced by a Quick Serpent's Eye is worth more than the orange gem being replaced by a Bold.
Edited by Ravicana on 6/1/2013 5:13 PM PDT
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90 Tauren Paladin
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Oh, yeah, that's true. :U
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90 Human Paladin
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Ah sorry I missed that. Thanks for the explanation
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