RET in the best place since beginning of MOP

90 Human Paladin
3555
Anyone else agree?

Gone is the 3 minute CD on Avenging Wrath
Buff to attack power (major offensive and defensive buff)
Buff to healing
Ability to cast Devotion Aura to remove silence
Ability to cast Divine Protection while in stun

Small changes that have really put us in a very good spot - to be honest, I actually feel like the class is truely balanced. Then again, I've only been playing since 5.1 - so what do I know.
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90 Human Paladin
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Ret is definitely in a really really good spot. Coming from someone who played from vanilla (and I'm sure others will agree), this is not even just a 360, but a loopdy loop side step shotgun slap apple 720 turn from where it used to stand. I'm looking at you patch 4.0, you dirty bastard.
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90 Tauren Paladin
14275
Well when the Hand of Light bug gets fixed then i will agree :P.
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90 Tauren Paladin
19560
oh man Blurb, im taunting the mage in my raid so much, im already doing just a bit less dps than him, I love it, once the hotfix goes in gg
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90 Tauren Paladin
14275
Ah raiding .. i miss it so :x
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90 Human Paladin
3555
A paladin friend and I went against a Spriest and Fmage in 2s - We went in with insight+battle healer up and blew them out of the water- they had almost a 1700 rating (It's 2s, I know) but with our utility and a buff to our survivability, I'm really loving this patch.
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90 Blood Elf Paladin
8355
I destroy Mages and Rogues in PVP now.

It feels like Christmas.
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90 Tauren Paladin
14275
05/31/2013 10:44 AMPosted by Andhar
I destroy Mages
Can't be doing that now don't want to get nerfed by GC.
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90 Blood Elf Paladin
14665
Pretty sure the hotfix already went live. Someone posted in the bug forums saying the numbers are correct now.
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90 Human Paladin
7485
Pretty sure the hotfix already went live. Someone posted in the bug forums saying the numbers are correct now.


How much HoL damage we were missing before?

I destroy Mages and Rogues in PVP now.

It feels like Christmas.


It's funny how much did the DA and DP buffs helped us.
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90 Dwarf Paladin
12730
HoL was only proccing for roughly 10% less of the printed mastery on your character sheet of what it should have been doing.
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90 Blood Elf Paladin
10225
Well when the Hand of Light bug gets fixed then i will agree :P.

Yep, it was fixed yesterday.
05/31/2013 12:32 PMPosted by Rarity
How much HoL damage we were missing before?

9.1%, so fixing it is a 1-2% gain to overall DPS.
Ret is definitely in a really really good spot. Coming from someone who played from vanilla (and I'm sure others will agree), this is not even just a 360, but a loopdy loop side step shotgun slap apple 720 turn from where it used to stand. I'm looking at you patch 4.0, you dirty bastard.

But that would mean we're still going in the same horrible direction, and dizzy to boot. *confused*
Edited by Ravicana on 5/31/2013 1:25 PM PDT
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90 Blood Elf Paladin
8355
05/31/2013 12:32 PMPosted by Rarity
Pretty sure the hotfix already went live. Someone posted in the bug forums saying the numbers are correct now.


How much HoL damage we were missing before?

I destroy Mages and Rogues in PVP now.

It feels like Christmas.


It's funny how much did the DA and DP buffs helped us.


That and the overall damage nerf all classes suffered helped immensely. The only problem I had with mages before patch was getting 100-0 in one deep freeze, which doesn't happen anymore.

Same with Rogue openers. If you don't kill me in that opener, I'm going to eat you.
Edited by Andhar on 5/31/2013 5:27 PM PDT
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90 Human Paladin
10310
Top 100 Parses - Showing Last 7 Days

  • Fire Mage
  • Affliction Lock
  • Assassination Rogue
  • Shadow Priest
  • Balance Druid
  • Unholy Death Knight
  • Fury Warrior
  • Elemental Shaman
  • Retribution Paladin
  • Survival Hunter
  • Windwalker Monk


We are currently only worth 83.9% of what a fire mage is to a raid, as of the time of this post.
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90 Blood Elf Paladin
7300
Ret is definitely in a really really good spot. Coming from someone who played from vanilla (and I'm sure others will agree), this is not even just a 360, but a loopdy loop side step shotgun slap apple 720 turn from where it used to stand. I'm looking at you patch 4.0, you dirty bastard.


I get what you are saying, and agree with it entirely, but do people understand that doing a 360 puts you back facing the same direction. If someone or something changes from awful to good they are going the opposite way (180).

Sorry, not trying to pick on you at all, I just see and hear this term used wrong more and more.
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90 Blood Elf Paladin
8355
Top 100 Parses - Showing Last 7 Days

  • Fire Mage
  • Affliction Lock
  • Assassination Rogue
  • Shadow Priest
  • Balance Druid
  • Unholy Death Knight
  • Fury Warrior
  • Elemental Shaman
  • Retribution Paladin
  • Survival Hunter
  • Windwalker Monk


We are currently only worth 83.9% of what a fire mage is to a raid, as of the time of this post.


If I'm not the absolute number 1 in DPS all the time no matter what I'm furious.

Just absolutely furious.
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90 Human Paladin
3885
Don't want to but in but is Ret damage in general dependant on gear in the same way as other melee classes? New to mine.
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90 Blood Elf Paladin
19235
Don't want to but in but is Ret damage in general dependant on gear in the same way as other melee classes? New to mine.


It is moreso than other melee, except maybe warriors. When you're in 430-450's as ret your damage is awful, pretty far behind what a frost DK can do spamming howling blast in a 5 man, which is what a lot of rets see and compare themselves to, and then give up on their ret.

We are currently only worth 83.9% of what a fire mage is to a raid, as of the time of this post.


If all you do is mash damage, sure, but judging by your gear you know better. The top 100's really just show which spec has more rejects who have a guild that will let them fail mechanics so they can rank high.
Edited by Cayse on 5/31/2013 6:43 PM PDT
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90 Draenei Paladin
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We are currently only worth 83.9% of what a fire mage is to a raid, as of the time of this post.


If you think damage is all a Ret is worth then you're a very bad Ret and probably should give up your raid spot to a Mage.

I'm not even going to begin to say what's wrong with where you're drawing your assumptions.
Edited by Cadenbrie on 5/31/2013 6:43 PM PDT
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