T16 WW Set Bonuses

100 Human Monk
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Item - Monk T16 Windwalker 2P Bonus (New) Combo Breaker: Tiger Palm now generates 1 Chi. Combo Breaker: Blackout Kick now generates 2 Chi.
Item - Monk T16 Windwalker 4P Bonus (New) Every 3 stacks of Tigereye Brew consumed cause your next Rising Sun Kick, Blackout Kick, or Fists of Fury to consume 1 less Chi.


Doesn't really make much sense, basically haste capped already, why would our set bonuses be focused around chi??
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100 Troll Monk
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Because they think that WW's are starved for resources. Plus, they kind-of contradict each other, which seems odd for a set bonus.

At least BrM and MW get some solid set bonuses.
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90 Pandaren Monk
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That said, I do kinda prefer our current BrM bonuses.
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90 Pandaren Monk
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The WW 4 piece is going to promote the constant consumption and maintenance of Brew, but it doesn't offer a lot to actually doing so. Still going to come down to whether or not Rune get's broken.

Im rather happy I seem to be playing BrM mainspec nowadays >.>
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100 Troll Monk
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The WW 4 piece is going to promote the constant consumption and maintenance of Brew, but it doesn't offer a lot to actually doing so. Still going to come down to whether or not Rune get's broken.

Im rather happy I seem to be playing BrM mainspec nowadays >.>


The constant consumption of the brew could possibly break RoRo. Possibly. I doubt it, but weirder !@#$'s happened.

It's unlikely they'll change them. If T15 was any indication, there's not enough of us to get attention to change them.

Hopefully they'll be itemized closely/the same like the prior two tiers so I can just use a BrM set for when I DPS.
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90 Undead Monk
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2 piece will be crazy good for pvp, it will prolly be changed
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100 Undead Monk
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I like how almost every class has multiple changes in their notes and for monks...

Chi Torpedo.... really?

Do devs even play monks?
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100 Pandaren Monk
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I think the whole point of the bonuses is to have monks drop haste and just plain stack mastery.

ADDITIONAL: Who knows at this rate I wouldn't be surprised if the must have trinket of 5.4 has a proc which increases your highest secondary stat by 50% for 10 seconds or something like that.
Edited by Visyian on 6/11/2013 8:51 PM PDT
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90 Human Monk
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These WW set bonuses would not outweigh the current RoR proc. Extra chi is useless when we'll reach 10k+ Haste keeping the 1:1:1 secondaries ratio.

Using a 6-stack TeB instead of a 10-stack TeB only nets 1 extra Chi, hardly worthwhile.

Only a RoR or TeB snapshot nerf can change our playstyle.
Edited by Snapmonk on 6/11/2013 9:13 PM PDT
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90 Gnome Monk
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I feel like we'll be able to break away from haste if we want to, or we might want to consider that it may not be a bad thing to be energy capped.

I mean think of it. Instead of having to Jab to get two chi, and getting a proc for BoK, and then doing another BoK to spend the chi, we will now be able to. Jab- get a free BoK (gain 2 chi)- Use another BoK, and then BoK again. I honestly don't think that energy capping will matter. We use energy on Jab to generate chi, but jab is weak. When we generate extra chi with stronger skills, it will reduce our dependency on jab.

If you look at where our damage comes from, it isn't from Energy. Our real damage comes from when we spend our chi.
Edited by Elv on 6/11/2013 10:42 PM PDT
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100 Blood Elf Monk
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I think the bonus is really good, and I think its intentions are potentially there to reduce the value of haste. Haste is what gives us high energy rates, as well as the talent Ascension, with all the value of haste, we're Haste capped when it comes to Combo Breaker Procs. But what I think it would do, is make crit and mastery just stand out a lot more. The damage bonus mixed with the increased chi generation from Combo Breaker as well as the free Chi from Combo Breaker would make mastery quite valuable, imo
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90 Orc Monk
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Full heroic thunderforged (bood-soaked?) + RoRO it is.
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100 Human Monk
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06/11/2013 08:45 PMPosted by Gutsu
There's no way this would ever make live.


I think I laughed too hard when I read this.

I feel like we'll be able to break away from haste if we want to, or we might want to consider that it may not be a bad thing to be energy capped.

I mean think of it. Instead of having to Jab to get two chi, and getting a proc for BoK, and then doing another BoK to spend the chi, we will now be able to. Jab- get a free BoK (gain 2 chi)- Use another BoK, and then BoK again. I honestly don't think that energy capping will matter. We use energy on Jab to generate chi, but jab is weak. When we generate extra chi with stronger skills, it will reduce our dependency on jab.

If you look at where our damage comes from, it isn't from Energy. Our real damage comes from when we spend our chi.


The realness is our damage comes from RoRo. There's only one way I'd drop haste, RoRo getting nerfed into oblivion. These tier bonuses would mean being energy capped like a mother.

If they did nerf RoRo, they'd have to buff monk damage. It's literally a difference of being first or last on the damage meter.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPFMzskXZvY
Edited by Vex on 6/12/2013 3:51 AM PDT
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90 Orc Monk
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Vex:
If they did nerf RoRo, they'd have to buff monk damage. It's literally a difference of being first or last on the damage meter


Yeh, really huge buffs. It also encourages constant dumping of brew to get cheaper attacks (which reduces the stacks we get, makes sense).

inb4 I do good damage in my 3/12 normal mode guild and our DPS is fine.
Edited by Face on 6/12/2013 4:50 AM PDT
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90 Orc Monk
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I had to explain to friends last night why me at 508 (without RoR) keeping up with a mage at 509 was a pretty big accomplishment. Note - I took pretty much this entire tier off and have just come back - so catching up has been a pain. They just don't understand how dependent WW is on RoR and all of our class balance is centered around it.

The tier sets are moronic IMO. If you're anywhere over 530, you're essentially GCD capped and chi/energy are pretty low on your management list. You'll be chi capped with these bonuses. I don't know if this is their under-handed attempt to push people out of Ascension, but who knows. Change the talents, not put in awful tier sets.
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90 Pandaren Monk
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The tier sets are moronic IMO. If you're anywhere over 530, you're essentially GCD capped and chi/energy are pretty low on your management list. You'll be chi capped with these bonuses. I don't know if this is their under-handed attempt to push people out of Ascension, but who knows. Change the talents, not put in awful tier sets.


My thoughts exactly, I see a ton of Excess chi being had due to the new combo breaker procs giving chi when most times I'm at 5 chi and have a proc, needing to dump it all before I energy cap, the only thing I see the 2 set doing is removing the need to jab every so often when it does not cause you to chi cap. The 4 set Just makes me /facepalm i just can't see how its nothing but a minor boost?
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100 Human Monk
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Same thought I had at first :)
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90 Gnome Monk
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The realness is our damage comes from RoRo. There's only one way I'd drop haste, RoRo getting nerfed into oblivion. These tier bonuses would mean being energy capped like a mother


I did 115k with my gear before I got RoRo. I haven't actually raided with RoRo to test it out. But our damage doesn't just come from RoRo. In order to use any of our skills, we need chi. The only way to gain chi currently is through jab, expel harm, and CJL.

If we drop a 15k hit, and free up a GCD with a 75k BoK, and still gain 2 chi, I don't see where the issue is. Next time you're looking through recount, see how much damage is done overall through Jab, and compare it to tiger palm, BoK, RSK, and FoF.

If we reach a point where we almost never spend energy, and we can just play with chi, I wouldn't mind it.
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90 Orc Monk
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Remember Arcane Mages and Shard of Woe, and how utterly dependent they were on that trinket for T11-T12? Remember how Blizzard, in turn, nerfed the trinket. I wouldn't doubt to see the RPPM procs nerfed on RoR before T16.

It's funny how they wanted to avoid the SoW situation with Arcane in the future, and then in turn made it 10x worse with WW and RoR.

I just see these set bonuses as a push to Power Strikes and Chi Brew - which both need a rework.
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