A hollow shell of what we once were...

93 Dwarf Paladin
15135
Your ignorance is showing - might wanna see to that.
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90 Human Paladin
10520
This post is in regards to Retribution. I remember the ol Lich king days when ppl feared the pally. We were an almost necessary part of that whole expansion. Since then thou we have been long forgotten as the DK remains "OP" in most ppls eyes. Between us and the other melee classes I still feel we are on the low side of the totem pole. My point is it is not the damage that is hurting us. It is our utility. A DK has grip. Warrior has his charge and leap. Our weak talent to judge and move fast for a shortly just doesn't cut it. We don't have that "in your face" move. We have no aoe to break stealth anymore. Our cleanse might as well just not exist compared to what it was. The remove movement impairing effects is almost useless. The moment I need it most it doesn't remove whats on me. Hammer of Wrath is a joke now. I remember when ppl just wanted a pally for kings or might. You don't even need us now with the DK's having our same buff...... It just seems like so much time was spend weakening the pally that they left us a mangled version of what was a cool class to play. Please blizz load a pally from Lich and play it and tell it is not a blast to play and then go to what we have now and you just feel like ur playing with your hands tied behind your back. The class feels more restricted than powerful. Note these are suppose the be the force that can conquer all evil. Champions of light. Bringers of justice. The class just doesn't have that unique feel anymore. So this is a call to my Ret pally brothers. Speak your mind. I would like to see what some of the other Ret pallies think.


The wall of text with a lack of paragraphs actually hurts my eyes. But I know what you are saying and here's my response. I didn't at first like the pally changes to ret in MoP at all. Overtime, I got better at it.

Now I think it's amazing how ret is. If you're trolling, cool.

If you're serious, learn to play.

Also, paragraphs, use them.
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100 Blood Elf Paladin
10595
Translation:

I'm a spoiled wrath baby who has always had it well and never experienced being relegated to a literal buff bot in MC and BWL.

Die in a fire.
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100 Blood Elf Paladin
10595
Also, the DK buff is attack power, not stats or mastery.
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90 Blood Elf Paladin
10225
Man, I totally miss the days when Ret lacked a snare, an interrupt, AND anything resembling the ability to close gaps. Those were definitely the days when we were powerful and competitive, and not at all a hacked-together approximation of a melee spec.

Seriously, the MoP Ret actually flows very nicely, and has impressive capabilities. The whack-a-mole "hit whatever ability, in whatever order, whenever it comes off cooldown" version of Ret isn't coming back, and good riddance.
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90 Human Paladin
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06/13/2013 04:20 PMPosted by Gïlgåmêsh
The class feels more restricted than powerful.


Very funny indeed! Right now retribution paladins are ranked 4th in dps in lvl 522 gear.

http://www.noxxic.com/wow/dps-rankings/maximum#522

If anything, given that we are a plate wearing class with multiple heals and shields, we are overpowered, not a restricted class at all.
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93 Dwarf Paladin
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...Yeah, no matter how well intentioned, please don't ever reference Noxxic to try to bolster a claim. That site's general terribleness completely invalidates anything you may have tried to say.
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100 Blood Elf Paladin
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If anything, given that we are a plate wearing class with multiple heals and shields, we are overpowered, not a restricted class at all.


Even mentioning plate in an argument about why any class or spec is overpowered is awful. Armor is one of the most meaningless stats still in the game when it comes to pvp.
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90 Human Paladin
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Dude there's no way you can be this upset with paladins. They're unbelievable in pvp and pve. If you must I suggest hitting up youtube or forums for help. I think that might change your mind once you experience paladin to their full potential
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100 Draenei Shaman
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I rather have a ret paladin on my arena team than any other melee currently. Not only do they provide EXCELLENT off-heals when they heal other teammates, but they have a 40 yard range snare which has 100% up time. Hand of freedom, and hand of purity is another great utility that any team would love; reducing DoT damage from spriest/locks and allowing your healer to run away. They can now also remove silences off EVERYONE that alone is a life saver. Plus we can't forget they have THREE different ways (LoH,DS,HoP) of saving yourself or a teammate from near death. They also have Hand of sacrifice which I don't know why more paladins don't use it but the ability to transfer 30% damage off someone who getting trained into them-self is a very good thing to have when use correctly.

Paladins got some damage buffs in 5.3 and when they pop their wings provide some of the highest burst damage in the game. Overall retadins are looking pretty nasty right now and any good paladin will agree. Just because you fail you use your cooldowns properly and you have hard time using them doesn't mean the spec overall need a rework.

Paladins are awesome and I can't wait to get back to mine once again.
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100 Human Paladin
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06/13/2013 04:20 PMPosted by Gïlgåmêsh
Hammer of Wrath is a joke now.


That's just silly, I feel like it hits just fine considering how hard it hits when it crits and that we can use our ranged "execute" at any given time.
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100 Blood Elf Paladin
20945
06/14/2013 10:31 AMPosted by Millhiõre
Hammer of Wrath is a joke now.


That's just silly, I feel like it hits just fine considering how hard it hits when it crits and that we can use our ranged "execute" at any given time.


It was silly enough I just ignored it. Aside from TV, which is because I wear 4T15 in pvp, hammer of wrath is my hardest hitting attack, going up to around 100k crits pre-HoL.
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90 Human Paladin
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Ret still has a whack-a-mole rotation now, except that you're 4th ability is always a TV. And Dk's have a whack-a-mole rotation, and Shammies...I'm not too sure how relevant an arguement that is.

With this new patch, Ret might finally be in a good spot. I think currently, we're just right under that bar in terms of viability. We need ways of controlling the battle, and virtually every class has some form of CC built in, let alone being tethered to a certain to a spec. Thats our biggest problem.

And Inquisition. Inquisition is dumb. It single handedly curbs all the fun from this spec.
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90 Human Paladin
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The best Ret ever was, was level 70 with Wrath talents. Oh God those two weeks were the best in history. PvP was Godmode.
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100 Draenei Paladin
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06/13/2013 04:20 PMPosted by Gïlgåmêsh
I would like to see what some of the other Ret pallies think

Didn't read at all, but IMO Retribution is in probably the best place it's ever been .. EVER!
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100 Human Paladin
8485
Dat wall.
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