Ret pally 4 set 5.4 Beta notes

90 Human Paladin
15080
"Item - Paladin T16 Retribution 4P Bonus (New) Holy Power consumers have a 25% chance to make your next Divine Storm free."

A free divine storm....... I was hoping for something much much better, I mean how many fights do we actually use divine storm on raid bosses?
I raid 25 man (some heroics) so strats are different than 10's

Jin-no aoe
Horridon- Tunnel boss
Tortos - Tunnel boss
Council- tunnel sul
Maegara- no aoe
Ji-kun- Adds yes
Durumu-no aoe
Prim- Joke no aoe
Dark ani- no real aoe, tanking adds
Quon- no aoe
Twins- no aoe
Lei shen- adds yes

So 2 bosses, thanks Blizz really wanted that free aoe
Look at warriors..... or enhance, that's a great 4 set
Plus have to see if its worth it in single target rotation instead of a building holy power to use divine storm after verdict..... Gah
give me some thoughts rets!
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100 Blood Elf Paladin
0
Reminds me of t10
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93 Dwarf Paladin
14375
Remember, you can't base the usefulness of the set bonus on current content; T16 may end up AoE heavy.

That said, it is still rather unappealing. I was pleased with it at first glance, but I've looked a little deeper and changed my mind. With HA and DP - especially DP - there seems to be the strong probability of wasting procs
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100 Human Paladin
16730
The only think this set bonus would do is that once in a blue moon where you have a little extra down time ((which heck there isn't much once you're 30%+ haste) even more now if you have the t16 gear.) Give you one more thing to press. Ultimately leaving no gaps in your rotation due to the high proc rate.

Current set bonuses are a hard thing to top.
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90 Blood Elf Paladin
9800
This is why Ret keeps getting worse and worse
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100 Blood Elf Paladin
14495
This is why Ret keeps getting worse and worse


Overreactive, overreaching remarks hyperfocusing on one insignificant detail while ignoring the quality of buffs Ret's been given this patch.

Business as usual.
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100 Human Paladin
16730
06/12/2013 11:01 AMPosted by Jackishi
This is why Ret keeps getting worse and worse


Overreactive, overreaching remarks hyperfocusing on one insignificant detail while ignoring the quality of buffs Ret's been given this patch.

Business as usual.
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100 Draenei Paladin
10580
Yeah, it seems pretty underwhelming. Granted, I don't raid, so my opinion isn't the end-all-be-all, but it really could be better. Why not give us a chance to proc a free HoW instead? That'd be neat.
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100 Human Paladin
11560
Reminds me of t10
the good ol' days.
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90 Blood Elf Paladin
14135
Depends how long the buff lasts. If we can use it to fill empty globals will probably be better than t15 4pc.

Also, the buffs we're getting next patch are incredible, so I can't even be mad if the 4pc sucks a bit.
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90 Blood Elf Paladin
10225
06/12/2013 12:59 PMPosted by Iltareh
Depends how long the buff lasts. If we can use it to fill empty globals will probably be better than t15 4pc.

For single-target, it's strictly worse than the t15 4p, even ignoring the GCDs required to use it (that is, if we pretend you never have to delay another ability, nor overwrite a proc):
t15 4p affects ~50% of your TVs, increasing their damage by ~90%
t16 4p procs from 25% of your TVs, and gives a free DS (worth ~60% of a TV). Even if it can proc itself (and still somehow avoids delaying other abilities), you still end up averaging one free DS for every three TVs.

So you get fewer procs, and each proc is weaker. Of course, AoE situations change the numbers around.
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90 Human Paladin
15145
Actually, everyone is overreacting to these changes. Personally, the buffs we are getting, will be way OP and will probably not go live. Now, if they do make it to live, we will for SURE be seeing the nerf bat very soon. Hell, all of the paladin class is already talking about how awesome these changes are going to be, what do you think is going to happen when all of the other classes see first hand what we can do? We will be QQ'd to the bottom of the barrel again!

As far as the tier 16 set bonuses, yeah the 2-piece, not bad and right in line for a 2-piece bonus. But the 4-piece, give me a break already! The ONLY time we will even use that proc, is when ALL other spells are on CD. A 25% DS will not hit as hard as any of our abilities, so the only time we can use it is when it procs AND all other spells are on CD, which will be very rarely with our haste getting even better with better gear. That bonus will not make it to live without a revamp for sure. The question is, I wonder what the new 4-piece bonus will be? Some form of DS I am sure, since they are trying so hard to get DS back in our priority list. Geez...
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90 Orc Death Knight
9685
Why do they keep trying to shove a divine storm tier bonus down our throats?
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90 Tauren Paladin
10640
Why do they keep trying to shove a divine storm tier bonus down our throats?

Because people keep asking for Divine Storm to be back in Ret's rotation.
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90 Blood Elf Paladin
0
Anyone else think the 2set is kinda meh too?
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90 Draenei Paladin
3990
why not include TV..so you choose either a free TV or DS so it doesn't matter if fights are AoE or single target focused.
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90 Draenei Paladin
3990
Actually, everyone is overreacting to these changes. Personally, the buffs we are getting, will be way OP and will probably not go live. Now, if they do make it to live, we will for SURE be seeing the nerf bat very soon. Hell, all of the paladin class is already talking about how awesome these changes are going to be, what do you think is going to happen when all of the other classes see first hand what we can do? We will be QQ'd to the bottom of the barrel again!

As far as the tier 16 set bonuses, yeah the 2-piece, not bad and right in line for a 2-piece bonus. But the 4-piece, give me a break already! The ONLY time we will even use that proc, is when ALL other spells are on CD. A 25% DS will not hit as hard as any of our abilities, so the only time we can use it is when it procs AND all other spells are on CD, which will be very rarely with our haste getting even better with better gear. That bonus will not make it to live without a revamp for sure. The question is, I wonder what the new 4-piece bonus will be? Some form of DS I am sure, since they are trying so hard to get DS back in our priority list. Geez...


The DS won't hit for 25%...it has a 25% chance to proc a free DS when we consume HP. At least that's how I read it.
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Why do they keep trying to shove a divine storm tier bonus down our throats?


Because a very vocal portion of the ret playerbase screams, "HERP DERP I LIKES DA TIER 10!!!!!one"
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90 Blood Elf Paladin
0
Divine Storm in a single target rotation is fine... if done correctly.

Their options would be to:
* Increase the damage Divine Storm does to place it ahead of TV. Granted, it might still be behind HP generators.
* Make Divine Storm be free and grant Holy power as well. I like this option, because it could replace CS. Might feel a bit clunky, though.
* Make Divine Storm off the GCD when cast. Downside is people would just find a way to macro it.

Anyone else think the 2set is kinda meh too?

Yeah, its basically the same as our current 2pc set, except it affects White swings/CS/TV and its not limited to the targets it hits.
Edited by Ronark on 6/12/2013 5:59 PM PDT
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