Relic of Yulon vs Breath of the Hydra

90 Blood Elf Mage
3130
As a frost mage (ilvl 498)....which trinket should I be using right now?
Right now...I'm sticking with Relic of Yulon because of its primary intellect stat
Does the Breath of the Hydra proc enough to make it worthwhile to replace Relic of Yulon?
http://www.wowhead.com/item=79331/relic-of-yulon
http://www.wowhead.com/item=96455/breath-of-the-hydra
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90 Blood Elf Mage
14660
Most certainly yes.
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90 Draenei Mage
18605
Breath of Hydra is an RPPM trinket, so the more Haste you have, the more often it ought to proc. As Frost, you usually want Haste on everything you got (which Breath of the Hydra so conveniently has). So the better you gear gets, the more often it'll proc, so the more often you'll have its awesome intellect proc (which outweighs the proc+primary stat on the Yu'lon trinket).

So yes, replacing Relic of Yulon with Breath of the Hydra should see an increase in DPS.
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90 Troll Mage
12450
Since no one else has pointed this out, Breath of the Hydra relies on ticks from a DoT.
The only DoT effect that mages have, is our bombs.

Currently, you are running Frost Bomb, which does not tick at all (it simply explodes at the end). To get any use out of BotH you would want to switch to either Living Bomb (great for single target) or Nether Tempest (multi-dotters heaven).

Mages who use a lot of multi-dotting are getting great results with this trinket. I for one hate multi-dotting and would never use this trinket.

While BotH is a good trinket, I think we're much much better off using Cha-Ye's and Wushoolay's.
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90 Gnome Mage
7445
Since no one else has pointed this out, Breath of the Hydra relies on ticks from a DoT.
The only DoT effect that mages have, is our bombs.

Currently, you are running Frost Bomb, which does not tick at all (it simply explodes at the end). To get any use out of BotH you would want to switch to either Living Bomb (great for single target) or Nether Tempest (multi-dotters heaven).

Mages who use a lot of multi-dotting are getting great results with this trinket. I for one hate multi-dotting and would never use this trinket.

While BotH is a good trinket, I think we're much much better off using Cha-Ye's and Wushoolay's.

^This x 99999999
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90 Troll Mage
15140
While BotH is a good trinket, I think we're much much better off using Cha-Ye's and Wushoolay's.


Sorry you're wrong.

BotH+woosh are BIS for frost. just because you're too lazy to multi dot, or dot at all (LB is the highest dmg single target, NT is great for fights like council and horridon) doesn't mean it's bad, at all, for the spec.

OP: use it, it's an amazing trinket, don't be lazy.
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90 Undead Mage
11635
06/14/2013 08:17 AMPosted by Xiun
While BotH is a good trinket, I think we're much much better off using Cha-Ye's and Wushoolay's.


Sorry you're wrong.

BotH+woosh are BIS for frost. just because you're too lazy to multi dot, or dot at all (LB is the highest dmg single target, NT is great for fights like council and horridon) doesn't mean it's bad, at all, for the spec.

OP: use it, it's an amazing trinket, don't be lazy.


Xiun speaks the truth. I haven't been fortunate enough to get Woosh yet, but I use Cha-Ye's and BotH (reforged into Crit) as fire on multi add fights w/ NetherT and get decent results.

Besides, Multi dotting is a nice distraction from my usual string of 7-10 fireballs with no crits. It at least takes your mind off how ridiculously bad fire is at low gear levels. :)
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90 Blood Elf Mage
9325
With the recent bomb changes you probably will be happier with Living Bomb as it is the best for single target and is no slouch on 2-3 targets either. Kinda the go-to average bomb for PvE raiding. Use the following macro to either apply Living Bomb to your current target or the target your mouse is hovering over. Even if you manage to apply the Living bomb to your current target and one other it is worthwhile as you get used to multi dotting. But you don't need to stress too much about it.

#showtooltip
/use [@mouseover,harm,nodead][]Mage Bomb

So like they say above Breath of the Hydra.
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90 Blood Elf Mage
3130
Thanks for your advice guys...I will drop the Relic of Yulon trinket and use the Breath of the Hydra instead, but I will reforge it from crit > haste.
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90 Troll Mage
15510
Sorry you're wrong.BotH+woosh are BIS for frost. just because you're too lazy to multi dot, or dot at all (LB is the highest dmg single target, NT is great for fights like council and horridon) doesn't mean it's bad, at all, for the spec.OP: use it, it's an amazing trinket, don't be lazy.
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