Why bring a Windwalker?

100 Draenei Paladin
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They bring comic relief to the raid through their roll related deaths.
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100 Troll Rogue
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Anyway, most guilds are not heroic progression guilds, and moreover there are a significant plurality of those guilds whose recruitment patterns are not "please apply if you're excellent at your FOTM class" and are currently recruiting WW Monks, Hunters of all stripes, etc. For everyone else (the vast majority of even heroic mode guilds), they're recruiting "the player, not the class."

Just because it doesn't matter for the majority doesn't mean it isn't an issue. Also it isn't just FOTM classes that WW lose out to, almost any guild would take a dps warrior over a WW and warriors are hardly FOTM right now.

Lei Shen static shock soaking has been the only thing I've seen my damage reduction shine on, and that's iffy at best.

WW are pretty good at soaking but that alone isn't enough. Rogues can soak and bring smoke bomb, rets can soak and bring devo aura, spriests and soak and bring VE. The only thing WW bring are personal DR cooldowns and some solid burst AoE, that makes them pretty good for heroic Lei Shen but not much else.
Edited by Fierydemise on 6/17/2013 9:32 PM PDT
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90 Worgen Warrior
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06/17/2013 09:32 PMPosted by Fierydemise
Anyway, most guilds are not heroic progression guilds, and moreover there are a significant plurality of those guilds whose recruitment patterns are not "please apply if you're excellent at your FOTM class" and are currently recruiting WW Monks, Hunters of all stripes, etc. For everyone else (the vast majority of even heroic mode guilds), they're recruiting "the player, not the class."

Just because it doesn't matter for the majority doesn't mean it isn't an issue. Also it isn't just FOTM classes that WW lose out to, almost any guild would take a dps warrior over a WW and warriors are hardly FOTM right now.

Lei Shen static shock soaking has been the only thing I've seen my damage reduction shine on, and that's iffy at best.

WW are pretty good at soaking but that alone isn't enough. Rogues can soak and bring smoke bomb, rets can soak and bring devo aura, spriests and soak and bring VE. The only thing WW bring are personal DR cooldowns and some solid burst AoE, that makes them pretty good for heroic Lei Shen but not much else.


Windwalkers are pretty good right now, actually. It's true that they are lacking in utility, but they have a damage immunity, strong single target and some of the best AOE as well. They are also one of the most mobile classes in the game.
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90 Troll Rogue
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So how about bring some examples of what could be changed? That would probably be a better start then just crying about it? Ideas people do them!
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100 Night Elf Druid
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So how about bring some examples of what could be changed? That would probably be a better start then just crying about it? Ideas people do them!


As discussed at length on Monk forums.

Summon White Tiger Statue: Summons a White Tiger Statue at the target location. Lasts for 20 seconds. 3 minute Cooldown.

White Tiger Statue grants Blessing of the Celestials, increases the mastery of party or raid members within 40 yards of the Statue by 3000. Lasts 20 sec.

Summoning the White Tiger Statue also grants the Monk 10 stacks of Tiger's Eye Brew.


We had a similar spell on Beta, this fixes the issue of ramp up time in PVP as well as a reason to bring a windwalker.

Other suggestions, not asking for all of these obviously - just SOMETHING, some reason that makes a Windwalker wanted in a raid.

Harmless Touch: Reduce the damage a target deals by 10% for 15s

Chi Balls: Healthstones, renamed but still unique with healthstones so both aren't required.

Glyph of Tiger's Lust: Your Tiger's Lust now affects party and raid members within 40 yards but no longer clears root effects. (Stampeding roar)

Glyph of Zen Meditation: Rework it to a small damage reduction on party and raid members, like AMZ or Power Word: Barrier.

Revival: Bring it in for WW monks, remove the dispel for PVP balance if you must.

Glyph of Invoke Xuen: A temporary raid damage boost, similar to Stormlash
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100 Night Elf Druid
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Windwalkers are pretty good right now, actually. It's true that they are lacking in utility, but they have a damage immunity, strong single target and some of the best AOE as well. They are also one of the most mobile classes in the game.


And yet here we are, asking for a paid class change.
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90 Worgen Warrior
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06/17/2013 10:35 PMPosted by Meod
Windwalkers are pretty good right now, actually. It's true that they are lacking in utility, but they have a damage immunity, strong single target and some of the best AOE as well. They are also one of the most mobile classes in the game.


And yet here we are, asking for a paid class change.


Which means nothing. You have Warlocks complaining too, and they've been the best DPS class in the game, bar none throughout this expansion.
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90 Pandaren Monk
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Windwalkers are pretty good right now, actually. It's true that they are lacking in utility, but they have a damage immunity, strong single target and some of the best AOE as well. They are also one of the most mobile classes in the game.


All of which can be brought by a Rogue, and you also get Tricks and Smoke bomb, and 2 extra buff/debuffs.
Edited by Ramayana on 6/17/2013 11:20 PM PDT
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100 Night Elf Druid
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Which means nothing. You have Warlocks complaining too, and they've been the best DPS class in the game, bar none throughout this expansion.


Warlocks are complaining because a large part of the "fun" of their class is about to be taken away from them (KJC), as well as their ranged DPS will suffer. (They have reworked Fel Flame for compensation).

You really have no idea.
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90 Pandaren Monk
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Warlocks are complaining because a large part of the "fun" of their class is about to be taken away from them (KJC), as well as their ranged DPS will suffer. (They have reworked Fel Flame for compensation).

You really have no idea.


ACTUALLY, Warlocks forgot how to play this game, set up and pre-plan like every other ranged, KJC will have only minor effects on their DPS (except for the bads who re-rolled Warlock from Ret Paladin so they didn't have to work so hard) and are now QQing that they can't be incredibly OP anymore.
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100 Human Rogue
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06/17/2013 11:20 PMPosted by Ramayana
Windwalkers are pretty good right now, actually. It's true that they are lacking in utility, but they have a damage immunity, strong single target and some of the best AOE as well. They are also one of the most mobile classes in the game.


All of which can be brought by a Rogue, and you also get Tricks and Smoke bomb, and 2 extra buff/debuffs.
I don't where you have been for the last couple years but no class gets unique raid utility. if your good at playing your class you will get a raid spot if you are bad no buff in utility will get you one.
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90 Gnome Monk
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06/18/2013 03:52 AMPosted by Stabetha


All of which can be brought by a Rogue, and you also get Tricks and Smoke bomb, and 2 extra buff/debuffs.
I don't where you have been for the last couple years but no class gets unique raid utility. if your good at playing your class you will get a raid spot if you are bad no buff in utility will get you one.


Oh really? What do you call skull banner, stormlash totem, and lock portals & cookies? I'm pretty sure they are all pretty good examples of a class-wide unique raid utility.
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90 Worgen Warrior
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06/17/2013 11:26 PMPosted by Meod
Which means nothing. You have Warlocks complaining too, and they've been the best DPS class in the game, bar none throughout this expansion.


Warlocks are complaining because a large part of the "fun" of their class is about to be taken away from them (KJC), as well as their ranged DPS will suffer. (They have reworked Fel Flame for compensation).

You really have no idea.


I'm aware of why they are complaining. The point is, people will complain regardless of where their class currently is. You seemed to think that Monks complaining on the forums was proof that Windwalkers aren't any good.

Warlocks are nerfed a bit next patch, but it needs to happen. Guilds are stacking Warlocks over all other ranged because they can damage on the move, do more damage than everyone else, and mitigate damage better than the rest of the ranged and provide a very unique raid utility that in some cases is almost necessary for fights.
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90 Blood Elf Death Knight
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06/17/2013 02:35 PMPosted by Argument


lmao only a pure would say this without knowing how retarded an answer this is.

In your zeal to make a personal attack you failed to notice that I was describing what WW brings, not what it should bring.


You said leg sweep(lol in raiding and other classes bring better stuns) and the ability to switch to heals/tank.

The second part doesnt even make sense bcz A the heals/tank spot is fill and if they wanted a OS dps healer they would get something that can actually share the same gear. WW and MW use different gearset which u will likely be competing for. WW and BM gem and reforge differently.

Even with all this to consider, if a WW switched specs he would infact no longer be a WW now would he.
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100 Pandaren Monk
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you bring a WW for the 3rd possible tank in 10s because guardian druids suck. That's bout it.
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100 Troll Rogue
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provide a very unique raid utility that in some cases is almost necessary for fights.

Realistically as long as gateway exists warlocks are going to be in very high demand because gateway can trivialize mechanics incredibly effectively.
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100 Gnome Monk
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if your good at playing your class you will get a raid spot if you are bad no buff in utility will get you one.


What if two players were good at playing their class? For the sake of argument, let's say they were equal skill/dps. Now let's say there is only one melee spot to fill in a 10 man heroic raid. Compare Windwalker to any other melee spec one by one. There are almost no cases where a WW would be more valuable to the raid than any other melee class outside the rare case of missing a druid, paladin, mage, and hunter from the raid. WW's don't want to win every head to head comparison when skill/dps are equal, but they would like to win 1 out of 10 maybe?
Edited by Seshel on 6/18/2013 10:16 AM PDT
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90 Human Rogue
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WW monks are not crap. BM monks are almost in a Godly state. Don't expect every spec of the class to be the best. if that was the case everyone would re-roll.
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100 Pandaren Monk
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WW monks are not crap. BM monks are almost in a Godly state. Don't expect every spec of the class to be the best. if that was the case everyone would re-roll.


This thread isn't about BM. This thread also isn't about WWers being crap. Rather, this thread is a question: why should you bring a WWer to a raid when they bring a lot less utility than every other melee?
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90 Pandaren Shaman
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WW monks are not crap. BM monks are almost in a Godly state. Don't expect every spec of the class to be the best. if that was the case everyone would re-roll.


The tank spec is good so we should ignore the dps spec? What?
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