Touch of Karma

100 Goblin Warrior
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If I stun the monk does it negate the effect?
Or do I just continue to wait for it to go away before burstin again?
Edited by Baddies on 6/21/2013 4:07 AM PDT
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90 Pandaren Monk
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Doesn't negate it, so hold off.
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91 Dwarf Warrior
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If it's group PvP, attack someone else for 10 seconds (or however long it lasts)

If it's 1v1 just stop attacking. I try to either fear them or heroic leap away to minimize the damage they do to me while I'm unable to attack them. If they're going to be attacking you during it at the very least Disarm them or pop a defensive cd.
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90 Pandaren Monk
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I love it when Warriors wait for this to fall off, and then come at me again, only for me to then hit them with Ring of Peace or Leg Sweep.

That's when I begin the pain.
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90 Blood Elf Monk
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I love it when Warriors wait for this to fall off, and then come at me again, only for me to then hit them with Ring of Peace or Leg Sweep.

That's when I begin the pain.


If only an 8 second cool down dispell didn't totally annihilate our 1.5 cool down Touch of Karma.
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90 Pandaren Monk
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If they're going to be attacking you during it at the very least Disarm them or pop a defensive cd.


Disarming us doesn't really affect us that much though. We still get to use our abilities.
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90 Undead Monk
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I love it when Warriors wait for this to fall off, and then come at me again, only for me to then hit them with Ring of Peace or Leg Sweep.

That's when I begin the pain.


If only an 8 second cool down dispell didn't totally annihilate our 1.5 cool down Touch of Karma.


you can only dispel the dot damage that TOK puts on the target, and seeing as it double dips resilience it doesn't do that much damage anyways
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90 Human Monk
3685
Anyone know an addon or to fix your chi bar? Id like to look the same not some glowing orbs or some boring white colored squares but the default chibar but id like to enlarge it and move it around. I use xpearl if that matters at all
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90 Undead Monk
12210
Anyone know an addon or to fix your chi bar? Id like to look the same not some glowing orbs or some boring white colored squares but the default chibar but id like to enlarge it and move it around. I use xpearl if that matters at all


I use the addon ChiBar, its nice you can move it/change the size of it and change the color and shape of the chi orbs
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100 Night Elf Monk
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06/21/2013 06:58 PMPosted by Irøh
If they're going to be attacking you during it at the very least Disarm them or pop a defensive cd.


Disarming us doesn't really affect us that much though. We still get to use our abilities.


WW monks are heavily reliant on weapons for damage, so it's a valid tactic to reduce damage taken by a fair amount, even if it does give us 30% dodge.

you can only dispel the dot damage that TOK puts on the target, and seeing as it double dips resilience it doesn't do that much damage anyways


I was always under the impression that only 100% immunities such as ice block and bubble cleared our bubble off of the ourselves. I've never seen the absorb negated by an 8 second dispel. (still incredibly annoying since mages seem to have no problem doing so to negate our bubble and keep lolbursting us)
Edited by Sichel on 6/21/2013 9:14 PM PDT
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90 Undead Monk
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I was always under the impression that only 100% immunities such as ice block and bubble cleared our bubble off of the ourselves. I've never seen the absorb negated by an 8 second dispel. (still incredibly annoying since mages seem to have no problem doing so to negate our bubble and keep lolbursting us)


They do. Ice Block/Divine Shield/Hand of Protection all remove the absorbtion effect of Touch of Karma

I was talking about the 8 sec cd Dispel only being able to remove the dot portion
Edited by Darshmellow on 6/21/2013 9:29 PM PDT
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90 Human Monk
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The changes to RoP:now disarms both enemies and those attacking allies. Does that mean youre allies/partner will be disarmed or the enemy and the enemy's allies? And secondly what talent should be taken diffuse magic or healing elixirs.
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90 Pandaren Monk
4390
For a Warrior it's extremely easy to invalidate Touch of Karma, fear and reopen after it ends if you get disarmed off the reopen just spin.
Edited by Jinae on 6/22/2013 12:27 AM PDT
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90 Undead Monk
12210
For a Warrior it's extremely easy to invalidate Touch of Karma, fear and reopen after it ends if you get disarmed off the reopen just spin.


Vs a warrior you should almost always have nimble brew or trinket for his fear, unless you are playing with a paladin and can get bopped out.
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90 Pandaren Monk
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06/22/2013 12:30 AMPosted by Darshmellow
For a Warrior it's extremely easy to invalidate Touch of Karma, fear and reopen after it ends if you get disarmed off the reopen just spin.


Vs a warrior you should almost always have nimble brew or trinket for his fear, unless you are playing with a paladin and can get bopped out.


I find it hard to believe you would have both Nimble Brew and Trinket at the point of needing to Touch of Karma, it's out right unusual that an Arms warrior wouldn't have forced a freedom out of you by that point.

I know that Baddies isn't Arms but Prot/Fury, i don't know the skill set as well and the match up could be significantly different.

That said shouting and then capitalizing on the second it takes for the trinket or Nimble Brew with a well placed heroic leap can still waste significant time on Touch of Karma.

PS: Feels like I'm being to serious; so. . . . Panda boobies~
Edited by Jinae on 6/22/2013 1:02 AM PDT
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90 Undead Monk
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06/22/2013 12:46 AMPosted by Jinae


Vs a warrior you should almost always have nimble brew or trinket for his fear, unless you are playing with a paladin and can get bopped out.


I find it hard to believe you would have both Nimble Brew and Trinket at the point of needing to Touch of Karma, it's out right unusual that an Arms warrior wouldn't have forced a freedom out of you by that point.

I know that Baddies isn't Arms but Prot/Fury, i don't know the skill set as well and the match up could be significantly different.

That said shouting and then capitalizing on the second it takes for the trinket or Nimble Brew with a well placed heroic leap can still waste significant time on Touch of Karma.


It really just depends on what classes you're playing with, but most of the time if you dont have a shaman on your team or a paladin youll want to save a trinket for the warrior fear unless he is training you.

And even if the warrior fears you on your touch of karma, that gives your healer 8 seconds to top you, which is plenty of time.
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90 Pandaren Monk
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We're certainly not on the same page, i was under the implication that Baddies was asking this from a 1v1 prospective in which you wouldn't be able to allow a warrior to wail on your face for the duration of they're other stuns, certainly in an arena or battleground the situation is much more as you've described.
Edited by Jinae on 6/22/2013 1:57 AM PDT
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90 Undead Monk
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We're certainly not on the same page, i was under the implication that Baddies was asking this from a 1v1 prospective in which you wouldn't be able to allow a warrior to wail on your face for the duration of they're other stuns, certainly in an arena or battleground the situation is much more as you've described.


He said "If I stun the monk does it negate the effect?" how does that only apply to 1v1?

And seeing as you're talking about 1v1 there is no reason why you shouldn't have a trinket for the warriors fear, unless it is a 3+ minute duel, which usually isn't the case WW vs Warrior.

Anyways, getting off of OP's topic here gonna stop
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90 Pandaren Monk
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I did say it was my assumption that it was 1v1 and to steer the conversation back on topic, Shout + Heroic Leap & Bladestorm will certainly help you with the WR WW Match up just make sure your leaping to a place in which they don't have camera view (example: leap over them as a Mage would blink) as to waste more "Karma time"

"Karma Time" totally a thing lol
Edited by Jinae on 6/22/2013 1:54 AM PDT
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100 Night Elf Monk
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I was talking about the 8 sec cd Dispel only being able to remove the dot portion


yeah I could care less about that. almost all damage from karma comes from me getting 10 seconds to wail on the target. I really wish the bubble weren't removable. I get why it is and that only major cds negate it but...it's really irritating.

He said "If I stun the monk does it negate the effect?" how does that only apply to 1v1?


to be fair, if he uses a non damaging stun, it could help buy some time until karma wears off. The problem is that any half-brained monk will wait for major cds before they karma, so you need to fish it with a cooldown. Even then we have other ways to wait out cds. Or we can just punch them in the face until they die. usually works for me against warriors.
Edited by Sichel on 6/22/2013 5:18 AM PDT
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