Touch of Karma Dispel-able?

90 Orc Warrior
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Hi Monks!

When I'm trying to land a kill on a monk, and they pop Touch of Karma, what are some ways to deal with that?

Can some healers offensively purge it from the monk?

If I am the ToK target will removing the debuff from me drop his invulnerability?

I'm basically trying to understand the mechanic fully and what type of buff/debuff ToK is - and MAINLY wanting to know when a monk is a kill target and they pop ToK do I just have to switch to another target for 6s no matter what, or is there some way to remove the invulnerability and kill him despite the ToK?
Edited by Flushdraw on 6/22/2013 11:05 AM PDT
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90 Undead Rogue
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the only way I know how to counter it is another karma lol
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90 Human Monk
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Healers are able to dispel it, yes.
When Touch of Karma is used, its applied as a non-damaging DoT on their target. Once the target begins damage, ToK becomes an actual damaging DoT.

However, the non-damaging DoT is also dispellable.
If you do not have a healer or DPS that can purge it off & the WW is about to die, your only option is to CC/stun chain him for 6 seconds so that he doesn't heal or fly away.
Edited by Hitmönlee on 6/22/2013 11:19 AM PDT
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90 Orc Warrior
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If my healer dispels the debuff off of me, does that simply prevent me from taking damage or does it also remove the invulnerability from the monk as well?
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90 Blood Elf Monk
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Monk is not invulnerable. Monk absorbs everything up to his health pool.
Stuns, CC all effect a monk. You could burst into ToK in order to shatter it, and have your healer heal it off you. But since the ToK dot is double checked by resil, it's better to save that dispel.
So far the only way to remove ToK from the monk is doing enough damage in 10s to pop it. Although, I wouldn't recommend it. Monks should never be the kill target anyway. Between Tok, Fort brew and HE/DM, all of our rolls grapples and roots, you should focus on the partner. In a 1v1 fight, monks will win vs you. Monks hard counter warriors.
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90 Orc Warrior
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ya i guess he's not invulnerable he just gets a 400kish absorb right? it's based on his total health pool not his current health percentage?

im going to be hard pressed to deal over 400k damage in the 10s window so in that way it is effectively an invulnerability that is impossible to remove right?

edit: thanks for the advice i'll try to kill the monk's partner
Edited by Flushdraw on 6/22/2013 11:58 AM PDT
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90 Human Monk
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If my healer dispels the debuff off of me, does that simply prevent me from taking damage or does it also remove the invulnerability from the monk as well?


when we dispel ToK that removes its effect completely--meaning damage isn't absorbed and isn't reflected to you.

Also, it can be spell-reflected. Though good luck guessing when he will use it.
Edited by Hitmönlee on 6/22/2013 12:38 PM PDT
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90 Night Elf Monk
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When you dispel or mass dispel karma, it does NOT dispel the absorb effect, but rather the DoT. Only 100% invulnerabilities such as ice block and divine shield can remove it, though as it's a physical effect I suspect bleed removals could also do so, such as stoneform.
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80 Gnome Mage
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anyone know if the hunter tranquilizing shot can dispell touch of karma?
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90 Pandaren Monk
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The only way to remove the absorb is to either damage through ToK (which is very tough in 2's but trivial in 3's, 5's, or RBG's) or to BoP/Ice Block the ToK target.
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90 Undead Monk
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ToK is a physical effect and is removed the same way as bleeds are

Ice Block
Bubble
BoP
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90 Dwarf Rogue
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My method is just kite the monk for 6 seconds, vanish, then stun and burst into him. Since, with a lot of monks, that is their go to move, and they depend on it heavily, once its done and you aren't near dead, they are generally pretty easy to handle.

I'm also going to have to give stone form a try, since it does remove spell effects and bleeds.

TOK is to op IMO and the dmg returned should be no more than 5%, the same as a priest bubble returns when glyphed or any dmg the monk does while TOK is active on a player, is reflected back to damage them. I'm not going to hold my breath though. Blizz has it's favorite classes, based on how many players are playing that class.

Money talks and apparently, that is the only language blizzard hears. How many $$$$ are coming in from the current "flavor of the day" classes. If there were suddenly a huge number of rogues being played, rogues would become totally unkillable.
Edited by Perforator on 8/6/2014 12:12 PM PDT
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06/22/2013 11:57 AMPosted by Flushdraw
ya i guess he's not invulnerable he just gets a 400kish absorb right? it's based on his total health pool not his current health percentage?

im going to be hard pressed to deal over 400k damage in the 10s window so in that way it is effectively an invulnerability that is impossible to remove right?

edit: thanks for the advice i'll try to kill the monk's partner


Yeah, the best play is to kill the monk's partner... then don't make the mistakes that easily let me 1v2 a team. If I have all my cooldowns up, and you blew all your cooldowns to get my partner down, and you think the match is over and you're just gonna down me easily, you're going to have a bad time.

Unlike most classes, Monks work opposite - the longer the fight goes, the more dangerous we get, since our DPS cooldowns need to "warm up". By the time you get my partner down, I'll be approaching the most dangerous I'll ever be. If my partner drops first, you need to immediately play very defensively - it's the opposite of most 2v2 matches, and that confuses people.

If you can stabilize and reset the fight, peel me and force me to switch to the non-damaged partner, then you can outlast my DPS cooldown, CC me for my Touch of Karma, and then my !@# is grass.

If you just down my partner, then mindlessly zerg me, I'll finish killing our kill target with ease, reset the fight, and probably win the 1v1.
Edited by Kâin on 8/6/2014 12:34 PM PDT
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90 Pandaren Monk
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08/06/2014 12:04 PMPosted by Perforator
Money talks and apparently, that is the only language blizzard hears. How many $$$$ are coming in from the current "flavor of the day" classes. If there were suddenly a huge number of rogues being played, rogues would become totally unkillable.


Ahahahaha apparently you are wrong, considering monks are the lowest played class.
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90 Human Warlock
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08/06/2014 12:04 PMPosted by Perforator
Money talks and apparently, that is the only language blizzard hears. How many $$$$ are coming in from the current "flavor of the day" classes. If there were suddenly a huge number of rogues being played, rogues would become totally unkillable.

Except that it's the lowest played class and there are more rogues than monks.
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90 Orc Monk
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monk is fun but it is terrible
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90 Human Monk
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You can dispel the ToK dots.
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90 Blood Elf Monk
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I've heard someone say that shattering throw dispels karma. I've never tested this though...
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