Divine Purpose Talent not working right?

90 Draenei Paladin
8435
Anyone else notice that the talent Divine Purpose doesn't seem to trigger anywhere near as often as 25% like the tool tip claims. I just went to dummies and clicked on one ability to generate a Holy Power, then on Eternal Flame to use a charge of Holy Power (thus attempting to trigger Divine Purpose). Out of 50, uses, I only got 4. Which is less than 10 percent...technically I did get a 5th on, on attempt number 50, and triggering my 4th Divine Purpose, I used it which immediately triggered a 5th. (Which I've noticed for a long time now that it seems to go in bursts, I'll get 3 or 4 sometimes 5 Divine Purposes proc'ing off each other, rather than off my "regular" Holy Power using things.)

Anyone else notice this oddity? or is my luck just terrible?
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90 Blood Elf Paladin
11610
Hey Dueteronomy,

Well, it seems to me that you went up to a dummy, only got ONE holy power, and then cast your HP spender to try to get a DP proc. But wouldn't it be extremely over powered to just spam 1 holy power abilities and then receive a free 3 HP ability by chance?

The way blizzard fixed this, and what the tooltip does not include is that when casting a 3 holy power finisher, such as SoTR, or WoG/EF, THEN you have a 25% chance to proc a free finisher. Sadly, with only 1 HP finishers, they have reduced the percentage of you getting it to near impossible.

-Myth
Edited by Mythsyn on 7/21/2013 7:21 AM PDT
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90 Draenei Paladin
8435
Ahh ok, and if they did that, that's cool. The tooltip doesn't mention that so I had no reason to suspect it worked any other way.
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90 Tauren Paladin
10640
To be specific, it's around 8% chance at 1 Holy Power and 16% chance at 2 Holy Power.
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100 Human Paladin
4265
Good to know! Now I know why it's never worked for me!
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90 Blood Elf Paladin
10620
Divine Purpose is one of those RNG (Random Number Generator) talents.

It's either go off a crap ton or do absolutely nothing for a good while.

Don't let the 25% chance mislead you. That just tells it's chance on that individual occurence you use Holy Power. It is all RNG.

Yes, it can proc off of procing itself.
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90 Draenei Paladin
10595
Yes, it can proc off of procing itself.


I thought they fixed that.
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97 Human Paladin
18740
07/21/2013 02:42 PMPosted by Solviras
Yes, it can proc off of procing itself.


I thought they fixed that.


And destroy the talent completely? Why would they?

As for me, I know the other talents are mathematically better, but I like the way Divine Purpose feels.
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100 Draenei Paladin
10635
I've always stood by DP. I liked the sporadic, unpredictable nature of it, and it felt good to chain them together. My own personal record stands at 12 in a row.

I've been converted to SW, though. Chain casting HoW is surprisingly effective.

... But yeah, the tooltip isn't exactly specific and it could probably benefit from a more detailed explanation. I think it'd be better if the chance were somewhere in the area of 10% per charge consumed, giving it a cap of 30%. It'd be a bit of a buff, but it might make DP a more attractive option.
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100 Human Paladin
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I only used it when healing and noticed it would seem to chain for me then I'd get none for a minute or two and it would chain again. Not always but I recall after some fights thinking it hardly proc'd. It's sometimes nice when you get 3 or 4 Eternal Flames off in a row though to dot up the raid.
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90 Draenei Paladin
13805
Here's what I see from Ra-den for the last month. It's the only fight that I use DP over Holy Avenger.

It procced 7 times for me on Ra-den last night(0 week ago). 5:33 fight.
40 Eternal Flames were cast
5 Light of Dawn were cast
102 Holy Power gained.
40+5-7 = 38 of my EF/LoDs used holy power for an average of 2.68 holy power per spell.
I should proc around 9.5 if the chance is a direct 25%. If it is based on holy power consumed, that chance should be around 8.5 divine purpose procs.
http://worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-owsc3yhwa4qlek9z/details/173/?s=14629&e=14961

It procced 16 times the week before (1 week ago). 6:00 fight
45 Eternal Flame were cast
9 Light of Dawn were cast
111 Holy Power gained
45+9-16 = 38 of EF/LoDs were used for holy power for an average of 2.92 holy power per spell.

If the chance is a direct 25% per spell cast, I should have had 9.5 procs. If it's based on the holy power cast, I should have had around 9 procs. I got super lucky on this kill.
http://worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-koif2l3p5vi5ybt4/details/108/?s=16796&e=17157

It procced 9 times the week before that (2 weeks ago). The fight was 5:44
37 Eternal Flames were cast.
9 Light of Dawn were cast.
102 Holy Power gained.
37+9-7 = 39 of my EF/LoDs used holy power for an average 2.6 holy power per spell.

If the chance is a direct 25% per spell cast with holy power, I should have 9-10 free casts isntead of the 7 I gained. If it is based on the amount of holy power consumed, the number should be around 8-9 Divine Purpose procs. So this one was pretty close.
http://worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-yuu7wbyds7wh4be4/details/15/?s=15697&e=16041

It procced 18 times the week before that (3 weeks ago). Fight was 6:11
45 Etenral Flame
17 Light of Dawn
108 Holy power
45+17-18 = 44 EF/LoDs consumed holy power, average 2.45 per

Direct 25% chance = 11 procs. If based on holy power with 8% chance per holy power, around 9 procs. I got lucky on the procs here as well.
http://worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-qh3bqoltdh0ircp6/details/9/?s=17152&e=17524

Week 0 should have had 8 to 10 procs and had 7. A little low.
Week 2 should have procced 7 to 9 procs and had 9. About right.
Both holy power spent per spell was similar. 2.6 in week 0 and 2.68 in week 1.

Week 1 should have procced around 9 procs, but procced 16. Very high.
Week 3 should have procced 9 to 11 procs, but procced 18. Very high.
Holy power spent per spell in week 1 was 2.9 and holy power spell in week 3 was 2.45. Pretty heavy variance.

I don't have many logs and the fights aren't really long enough to give anything conclusive, but it looks to be proccing correctly based on this. Let me know if I messed anything up.

07/21/2013 02:42 PMPosted by Solviras
Yes, it can proc off of procing itself.


I thought they fixed that.

It can still proc off of itself. Evidence here:
http://worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-qh3bqoltdh0ircp6/xe/?s=17291&e=17331&x=sourceName+%3D+%22Aygee%22
http://i.imgur.com/y11ZNKH.png
Edited by Aygee on 7/22/2013 8:15 PM PDT
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100 Human Paladin
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07/21/2013 04:18 PMPosted by Airc


I thought they fixed that.


And destroy the talent completely? Why would they?

As for me, I know the other talents are mathematically better, but I like the way Divine Purpose feels.


HA and SW are as you say, static, reliable,guarantee damage.
While, DP may be a little behind, with any RGN on your side it over shadows the other 2.

50.55% Mastery buff, with TVs flying back to back, it is insane burst, but it is all RGN.
It is the price you pay to see big numbers :P
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