5% haste buff and resto druids.

Ok,so my 10m group has a hunter who is currently going Survival spec for the haste buff since we have 2 resto druids healing in our core. 1 just so happens to be new and undergeared.

So here's the issue. The hunter wants to play BM. The dps is higher(looking at sims it's about 10k higher in heroic gear) however that would drop our haste buff.

Personally with a Lock/Mage/and two druids I would think the haste is more important.

Let me also add we are NOT anywhere near enrage timers,and ironically we're having trouble on megara.

Having the druids regem/haste for 5320 seems crazy. So what do we do here? Have the hunter continue as survival or go bm and reforge into haste or also maybe drop haste down and go heavy with mastery.

Idk,it seems clear to me that in progression 10-20k on one person isn't worth more than 5% haste for the fire mage and two druids.

Give me your thoughts. (sorry for the wall.)
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90 Pandaren Priest
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Why can't he go BM and still bring a Sporebat?
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95 Blood Elf Paladin
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Sporebat?


Best pet.
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90 Pandaren Priest
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07/26/2013 08:28 PMPosted by Suntia
Sporebat?


Best pet.


My love for Sporebat is legendary.
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Says it's a dps loss to run a sporebat over his worm or whatever he's running. Like 4% or something.

He says he's definetly gonna run BM on the next few fights,and I don't know it's just gonna screw the druids over with reforging and gemming.

[Edit] Also Paladin is putting out mastery buff. Only buff we are really missing is Melee haste,but with only me (fury warrior) and a feral dps i'm not too concerned with that. (my dps is more than fine.)
Edited by Thisguytanks on 7/26/2013 8:48 PM PDT
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100 Night Elf Druid
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Says it's a dps loss to run a sporebat over his worm or whatever he's running. Like 4% or something.


All hunter pets in the same spec have the same damage. If your Hunter specs the sporebat as Ferocity, there will be no dps loss.
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100 Night Elf Priest
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It might be that he needs an exotic pet as BM. IDK.

But you're spot on when it comes to how important 5% spell haste is. It makes a staggeringly huge difference for resto druids. Don't give him a choice about the Sporebat.
Edited by Dreamling on 7/26/2013 9:27 PM PDT
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90 Pandaren Priest
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Says it's a dps loss to run a sporebat over his worm or whatever he's running. Like 4% or something.

He says he's definetly gonna run BM on the next few fights,and I don't know it's just gonna screw the druids over with reforging and gemming.

[Edit] Also Paladin is putting out mastery buff. Only buff we are really missing is Melee haste,but with only me (fury warrior) and a feral dps i'm not too concerned with that. (my dps is more than fine.)


Tell him to run a Sporebat, or find someone who will bring the 5% haste buff. He's lying.
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22 Tauren Shaman
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There is no difference in the dps from pets. Saying he will lose 4% dps is because of the 10% melee/ranged haste buff his serpent is giving to himself and the melee.

You will have to factor how much dps is loss from the melee and hunter will loss vs caster dps lost and resto druid healing. So 10% melee/ranged haste vs 5% spell haste.
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100 Troll Druid
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Sounds like your typical huntard - more worried about personal dps than helping the raid out as a whole.
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90 Human Priest
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Your healing and your casters damage is a lot more important than his supposed 4% personal DPS increase. Raiding is a team sport, and he needs to be a team player.

Assuming Resto Druids haste breakpoints are anything like my own Holy breakpoints, he's completely screwing them over by not bringing that buff.
Edited by Illu on 7/26/2013 9:57 PM PDT
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100 Tauren Druid
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Kick him and get a shadow priest. The druids will not only get the haste buff, but one will get Leap of Faith, and the raid as a whole will get an extra Tranquility.

Maybe if the hunter realizes how inferior he really is when compared to a shadow priest, he will get a sporebat. ;)
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90 Troll Priest
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Kick him and get a shadow priest. The druids will not only get the haste buff, but one will get Leap of Faith, and the raid as a whole will get an extra Tranquility.

Maybe if the hunter realizes how inferior he really is when compared to a shadow priest, he will get a sporebat. ;)


Spriest tranquility is trash. It's just flat-out not worth using.

But I agree with this, replace the hunter.
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Ok what's the benefit to bringing an exotic pet? Is that where his dps is dropping?

I hate making a big deal out of things like this,especially when i'm not even the healer.
It just seems important because we have TWO resto druids and I know how they gem/reforge for the haste breakpoint.

I'm trying to justify the exotic pet part,we don't need the lust,got mastery covered as well.

So do exotic pets just hit harder?
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100 Night Elf Druid
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http://www.warcrafthuntersunion.com/2013/03/hunter-pet-buffs-list-the-best-hunter-pets/

The only benefit to an exotic pet is that the pet could give the stat buff, stam buff, blood lust, or brez, depending on which pet the Hunter brings. You have a mage, a lock, and 2 druids, those are already covered (if imps still give the stam buff).

Edit: exotic pets do the same damage as regular pets.
Edited by Elyssyra on 7/27/2013 4:48 AM PDT
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90 Undead Warlock
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(if imps still give the stam buff).



Imp is no longer necessary the stam buffed is baked in with the spell power buff from warlocks.
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90 Troll Priest
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He really just needs to be bringing a sporebat. If he refuses, drop him for a spriest/elem shaman.

Having two healers significantly gimped for the sake of personal DPS is terrible, let alone two healers and two DPS.
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90 Worgen Hunter
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I'm still trying to figure out why he thinks he has to go survival to bring a sporebat.

(P.S. 5% Spell Haste >>>>>> 5% Melee haste)
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90 Blood Elf Paladin
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How can this even be up for discussion? Of course he should bring whatever buffs the raid. The little hunter in my 10man asks me what pet he should run to optimize buffs, make him fear your wrath :P
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90 Tauren Druid
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worm actually does bring slightly more dps since it has a aoe damage ability
but honestly make him get a spore bat or boot him and get a spriest since a spriest is far superior
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