Which healer has the most DPS?

100 Pandaren Monk
10020
If care on both single target and AOE, MW is the best.

MW is nearly immortal in many situation.
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90 Undead Monk
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If care on both single target and AOE, MW is the best.

MW is nearly immortal in many situation.


Yea I'm not really sure why people think disc dps beats MWers when I can easily burst 150k and sustain 120k on this char.

With the right amount of crits/lust/xuen I probably can hit 180k-200k, burst however.
Edited by Pulse on 8/19/2013 11:18 AM PDT
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100 Worgen Priest
5680
If care on both single target and AOE, MW is the best.

MW is nearly immortal in many situation.


Yea I'm not really sure why people think disc dps beats MWers when I can easily burst 150k and sustain 120k on this char.

With the right amount of crits/lust/xuen I probably can hit 180k-200k, burst however.


Well, disc and mw can fight over 2nd place. Holy Priest in Chakra: Chastise destroys both of them :)
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90 Blood Elf Paladin
11610
I can pull 60k dps during a lust. Beat that son.
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90 Undead Monk
13535
I fear that atonement and fistweaving will dominate endless proving grounds.


I've gotten wrecked in the proving grounds I've casually tried on the PTR.

But maybe it's just because I'm bad.
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90 Blood Elf Priest
15830

Well, disc and mw can fight over 2nd place. Holy Priest in Chakra: Chastise destroys both of them :)

Nah, disc dps destroys Chakra: Chastise on single target and I believe monks do too. Chakra: Chastise is only good for mind sear spam.
It’s something like this:
Single target: Disc priest > Resto druid(during HOTW) > Monk ,Holy priest > Paladin > Resto druid (w/o HOTW), Shaman
AOE: Monk > Holy priest > everyone else
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100 Worgen Priest
5680

Well, disc and mw can fight over 2nd place. Holy Priest in Chakra: Chastise destroys both of them :)

Nah, disc dps destroys Chakra: Chastise on single target and I believe monks do too. Chakra: Chastise is only good for mind sear spam.
It’s something like this:
Single target: Disc priest > Resto druid(during HOTW) > Monk ,Holy priest > Paladin > Resto druid (w/o HOTW), Shaman
AOE: Monk > Holy priest > everyone else


Is this a trolling? I'm not sure.

I'm sorry, but a disc is not going to out DPS a holy with chakra chastise turned on because Holy gets a 50% buff to their damage. The only spell that Disc has that Holy doesn't for DPS is penance, and Penance is not going to overcome a 50% buffed smite, 50% buffed holy fire, 50% buffed halo, 50% buffed shadow word: pain and 50% buffed shadow word: death.

It's not an opinion, it's math lol.

Keep in mind if you are comparing the two, you have to compare the gearset. If the holy is sitting in all mastery/spirit and the disc is sitting in all crit/haste, then the disc would possibly close the gap. But an equal crit/haste build of holy vs disc isn't even a comparison. Holy destroys it.

Holy can sustain 120-200k+ dps in ToT raid settings. Easily outdoes disc lol. Obviously no to little healing. But the question was on what does the most dps lol
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90 Night Elf Druid
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Single target: Disc priest > Resto druid(during HOTW) > Monk ,Holy priest > Paladin > Resto druid (w/o HOTW), Shaman


It's pretty crazy how close Disc can get to Druid during HotW if they try.

Paladin should not be that high on the list even with glyphs on a dummy, let alone an actual encounter.

08/21/2013 05:23 PMPosted by Draygot
Holy can sustain 120-200k+ dps in ToT raid settings.


One of the many things Holy can do that nobody cares about.
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90 Dwarf Priest
12850
One of the many things Holy can do that nobody cares about.


Rude.
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92 Human Paladin
12105
A Holy Pally's DPS is more about utility than actual damage. Holy Shock does a little damage on a longish CD, but it generates Holy Power. Ditto for Crusader Strike, which can also return mana. Judgement no longer returns mana, but can be talented for a speed boost. Denounce spam is sometimes used in PvP for crit reduction. There are talents and glyphs that can be taken to improve a pally's DPS, but are generally seen as inferior to the healing or mana return glyphs for raiding.

If you are simply looking to level a healer, and do not want a DPS spec for questing and the like, it is hard to go wrong with a Disc priest or MW monk. Both are very strong for DPS and general questing utility, even at low levels. I wouldn't try it with a pally, shaman, or druid. Any of those classes really do better for leveling with some sort of DPS or tanking OS and at least shaman and druids can share gear between specs while leveling.

Holy pallies are kind of shafted for leveling, both in terms of heirlooms and having to maintain two sets of gear. :(


Aye, while a holy pally can pump out some awesome DPS (I swear I've gotten up pretty high before, even in PvP hear), the downside is we either have to burst (i.e. pop every damage and spellpower trink we have, or glyph into it. Which in PvP means glyphing holy shock and reduces it's healing by 50%, being one of our huge, and only instant cast spells in PvP it's not really worth it. That being said when we're glyphed in harsh words and holy shock we can be pretty dangerous.

Only downside: we only have like 3 real damage spells, 2 of which are the most reliable (holy shock and denounce). Holy shock has a 6 second CD, denounce requires casting. In PvP you won't get that much damage out simply due to being interrupted.

IMO though most healers are fine in damage for levelling and questing. But like the others said mistweaver and priests kind of shine more due to how well they can use their spells to deal damage and heal.
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90 Blood Elf Priest
15830

Nah, disc dps destroys Chakra: Chastise on single target and I believe monks do too. Chakra: Chastise is only good for mind sear spam.
It’s something like this:
Single target: Disc priest > Resto druid(during HOTW) > Monk ,Holy priest > Paladin > Resto druid (w/o HOTW), Shaman
AOE: Monk > Holy priest > everyone else


Is this a trolling? I'm not sure.

I'm sorry, but a disc is not going to out DPS a holy with chakra chastise turned on because Holy gets a 50% buff to their damage. The only spell that Disc has that Holy doesn't for DPS is penance, and Penance is not going to overcome a 50% buffed smite, 50% buffed holy fire, 50% buffed halo, 50% buffed shadow word: pain and 50% buffed shadow word: death.

It's not an opinion, it's math lol.

Keep in mind if you are comparing the two, you have to compare the gearset. If the holy is sitting in all mastery/spirit and the disc is sitting in all crit/haste, then the disc would possibly close the gap. But an equal crit/haste build of holy vs disc isn't even a comparison. Holy destroys it.

Holy can sustain 120-200k+ dps in ToT raid settings. Easily outdoes disc lol. Obviously no to little healing. But the question was on what does the most dps lol

I’m not sure where you are gathering your data from, my post reflects on numbers I saw in raiding. I played both specs on heroic Lei shen, nothing but dps whole phase 1 and 2. I was doing much more as disc because penance does roughly 50% of our damage. Penance > buffed smite. I would show you the logs, but they have expired by now. Keep in mind that I’m talking about real raid situations here, not some irrelevant target dummy numbers. Disc is far superior in mobility and can actually heal when dpsing. Holy’s mobility is terrible when it comes to dpsing and there is no reason to have a holy priest in the raid if you don’t have him or her heal at some point. Disc can dps the whole fight and carry its weight as a healer on most fights, holy dpsing the whole fight is a waste of a raid slot. I want to see a holy priest doing 120-200k dps single target on a real raid fight, link me logs of you have.
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100 Worgen Priest
5680


Is this a trolling? I'm not sure.

I'm sorry, but a disc is not going to out DPS a holy with chakra chastise turned on because Holy gets a 50% buff to their damage. The only spell that Disc has that Holy doesn't for DPS is penance, and Penance is not going to overcome a 50% buffed smite, 50% buffed holy fire, 50% buffed halo, 50% buffed shadow word: pain and 50% buffed shadow word: death.

It's not an opinion, it's math lol.

Keep in mind if you are comparing the two, you have to compare the gearset. If the holy is sitting in all mastery/spirit and the disc is sitting in all crit/haste, then the disc would possibly close the gap. But an equal crit/haste build of holy vs disc isn't even a comparison. Holy destroys it.

Holy can sustain 120-200k+ dps in ToT raid settings. Easily outdoes disc lol. Obviously no to little healing. But the question was on what does the most dps lol

I’m not sure where you are gathering your data from, my post reflects on numbers I saw in raiding. I played both specs on heroic Lei shen, nothing but dps whole phase 1 and 2. I was doing much more as disc because penance does roughly 50% of our damage. Penance > buffed smite. I would show you the logs, but they have expired by now. Keep in mind that I’m talking about real raid situations here, not some irrelevant target dummy numbers. Disc is far superior in mobility and can actually heal when dpsing. Holy’s mobility is terrible when it comes to dpsing and there is no reason to have a holy priest in the raid if you don’t have him or her heal at some point. Disc can dps the whole fight and carry its weight as a healer on most fights, holy dpsing the whole fight is a waste of a raid slot. I want to see a holy priest doing 120-200k dps single target on a real raid fight, link me logs of you have.


I won't argue the dps that a disc does is more beneficial b/c of the healing, but that wasn't the question. This was just about "DPS"

As for logs, here are some of mine -- also this isn't done as replacing a DPS slot, this is just "Didn't need a 3rd healer, so DPS'd"

Jin'Rokh - 200k - http://worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-pkwt98npa53nnuoj/analyze/dd/source/?s=2397&e=2571

Horridon - 185k (kill after 2nd door) - http://worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-v0nve71l7pabmybt/analyze/dd/source/?s=2873&e=3146

Council - 145k - http://worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-pkwt98npa53nnuoj/analyze/dd/source/?s=4331&e=4594

Tortos - 160k - http://worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-pkwt98npa53nnuoj/analyze/dd/source/?s=4950&e=5197

Megaera - 123k - http://worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-v0nve71l7pabmybt/analyze/dd/source/?s=5150&e=5482
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100 Worgen Priest
5680

I’m not sure where you are gathering your data from, my post reflects on numbers I saw in raiding. I played both specs on heroic Lei shen, nothing but dps whole phase 1 and 2. I was doing much more as disc because penance does roughly 50% of our damage. Penance > buffed smite. I would show you the logs, but they have expired by now. Keep in mind that I’m talking about real raid situations here, not some irrelevant target dummy numbers. Disc is far superior in mobility and can actually heal when dpsing. Holy’s mobility is terrible when it comes to dpsing and there is no reason to have a holy priest in the raid if you don’t have him or her heal at some point. Disc can dps the whole fight and carry its weight as a healer on most fights, holy dpsing the whole fight is a waste of a raid slot. I want to see a holy priest doing 120-200k dps single target on a real raid fight, link me logs of you have.


I won't argue the dps that a disc does is more beneficial b/c of the healing, but that wasn't the question. This was just about "DPS"

As for logs, here are some of mine -- also this isn't done as replacing a DPS slot, this is just "Didn't need a 3rd healer, so DPS'd"

Jin'Rokh - 200k - http://worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-pkwt98npa53nnuoj/analyze/dd/source/?s=2397&e=2571

Horridon - 185k (kill after 2nd door) - http://worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-v0nve71l7pabmybt/analyze/dd/source/?s=2873&e=3146

Council - 145k - http://worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-pkwt98npa53nnuoj/analyze/dd/source/?s=4331&e=4594

Tortos - 160k - http://worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-pkwt98npa53nnuoj/analyze/dd/source/?s=4950&e=5197

Megaera - 123k - http://worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-v0nve71l7pabmybt/analyze/dd/source/?s=5150&e=5482


Also, keep in mind my ilvl was only low 530s with no heroic gear. So, obviously, BIS, all my numbers would be inflated.
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100 Worgen Priest
5680
One from Lei Shen...since you mentioned that one...but given its such a mechanics fight, not sure if it really will tell much lol

92k dps - http://worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-q3ictet7nhrdks3b/analyze/dd/source/?s=12608&e=13076
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90 Troll Shaman
13290
I actually wanna start playing with a holy 'DPS' spec myself now. It's pretty rough to find gear with 0 mastery/spirit/hit though. With the red chakra, smite is basically mana free so on single target fights you can completely neglect spirit.

Not that I'd actually raid as a holy DPS, just something I'm interested in for fun. Maybe I'll try it in flex raiding or other casual content.

I'm doing over 100k on LFR fights like Feng and Gara'jal at only 518, no LMG, no RPPM trinket - from what I hear LFR Megaera trinket is a LOT better than my 502 Elegon trinket because RPPM. Maybe later after I figure out things I'll get some logs in t14 content.
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90 Blood Elf Priest
15830

I’m not sure where you are gathering your data from, my post reflects on numbers I saw in raiding. I played both specs on heroic Lei shen, nothing but dps whole phase 1 and 2. I was doing much more as disc because penance does roughly 50% of our damage. Penance > buffed smite. I would show you the logs, but they have expired by now. Keep in mind that I’m talking about real raid situations here, not some irrelevant target dummy numbers. Disc is far superior in mobility and can actually heal when dpsing. Holy’s mobility is terrible when it comes to dpsing and there is no reason to have a holy priest in the raid if you don’t have him or her heal at some point. Disc can dps the whole fight and carry its weight as a healer on most fights, holy dpsing the whole fight is a waste of a raid slot. I want to see a holy priest doing 120-200k dps single target on a real raid fight, link me logs of you have.


I won't argue the dps that a disc does is more beneficial b/c of the healing, but that wasn't the question. This was just about "DPS"

As for logs, here are some of mine -- also this isn't done as replacing a DPS slot, this is just "Didn't need a 3rd healer, so DPS'd"

Jin'Rokh - 200k - http://worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-pkwt98npa53nnuoj/analyze/dd/source/?s=2397&e=2571

Horridon - 185k (kill after 2nd door) - http://worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-v0nve71l7pabmybt/analyze/dd/source/?s=2873&e=3146

Council - 145k - http://worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-pkwt98npa53nnuoj/analyze/dd/source/?s=4331&e=4594

Tortos - 160k - http://worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-pkwt98npa53nnuoj/analyze/dd/source/?s=4950&e=5197

Megaera - 123k - http://worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-v0nve71l7pabmybt/analyze/dd/source/?s=5150&e=5482


Out of all those logs you linked, Lei shen is the only single target fight w/o any damage buffs. 92k is similar to what I was doing with slightly better gear but no dps trinkets. As disc, I was always above 100k, sometimes doing as high as 120k when I got a good halo off. I was wrong for saying disc destroys holy dps in general. Disc only destroys holy on high mobility fights like lei shen, which was where I was drawing my samples from. Low movement fights numbers should be very similar.
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100 Worgen Priest
5680


I won't argue the dps that a disc does is more beneficial b/c of the healing, but that wasn't the question. This was just about "DPS"

As for logs, here are some of mine -- also this isn't done as replacing a DPS slot, this is just "Didn't need a 3rd healer, so DPS'd"

Jin'Rokh - 200k - http://worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-pkwt98npa53nnuoj/analyze/dd/source/?s=2397&e=2571

Horridon - 185k (kill after 2nd door) - http://worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-v0nve71l7pabmybt/analyze/dd/source/?s=2873&e=3146

Council - 145k - http://worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-pkwt98npa53nnuoj/analyze/dd/source/?s=4331&e=4594

Tortos - 160k - http://worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-pkwt98npa53nnuoj/analyze/dd/source/?s=4950&e=5197

Megaera - 123k - http://worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-v0nve71l7pabmybt/analyze/dd/source/?s=5150&e=5482


Out of all those logs you linked, Lei shen is the only single target fight w/o any damage buffs. 92k is similar to what I was doing with slightly better gear but no dps trinkets. As disc, I was always above 100k, sometimes doing as high as 120k when I got a good halo off. I was wrong for saying disc destroys holy dps in general. Disc only destroys holy on high mobility fights like lei shen, which was where I was drawing my samples from. Low movement fights numbers should be very similar.


Just out of curiosity...is your dps number based off what your recount is showing or from the world of logs?

Most of the time, from watching other disc and when I play disc, I will see a lot of disc with a high DPS (60-100k), but when I look it up on WoL it goes from that 60-100k to a 40-60k DPS(e) because of all that downtime healing.

While, of course that still means it can *do* that DPS. Would it be sustainable if you actually did that from beginning to end?

Like on the fights when you did 120k, if you ignored healing and just tried to sustain that from beginning to end, would your mana be able to sustain it?
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100 Worgen Priest
5680
But in terms of being able "To DPS," that is the one huge advantage Holy does have. Their Smite/Holy Fire is virtually free (90% mana reduction + evangelism), I basically gain mana by DPSing lol

So any DPS I do do, is sustainable whether I do it for 1 minute or 30 minutes straight. I sit at full mana the whole time.
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90 Blood Elf Priest
15830
But in terms of being able "To DPS," that is the one huge advantage Holy does have. Their Smite/Holy Fire is virtually free (90% mana reduction + evangelism), I basically gain mana by DPSing lol

So any DPS I do do, is sustainable whether I do it for 1 minute or 30 minutes straight. I sit at full mana the whole time.

Both skada and logs. You have to dps all the way in order to do 100k+. I had no mana issues at all with mana tide, regen was higher than what I spent on spells. Without mana tide I imagine you would have to start getting some rapture procs after 5 mins or so in order to sustain your mana.
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