Before I start quoting the troll I'll say new/revolutionary things almost always take a lot of time until people start seeing their true value. Not saying D3 will some day be looked at like that, but it does have revolutionary potential gravely parting it from its beloved predecessor. We'll have to wait for D3 to age (like D2 did), cause after all you can't compare something without having seen/known/tested both equally. And I doubt anyone here has yet played D3 for as many years
as most have D2. Still, today's games are made for the almighty $, so chances are high D2 (or in my opinion D1) will never be matched, the old principles simply wouldn't generate a high enough cash flow and we will never be as young again as we were when first playing or growing up with the old games, nor will we be as easily satisfied as in the past with the mass communication that the internet provides.
Ok, let's start with the best-of-troll-quotes:
01/13/2013 11:27 PMUtter nonsense. Obviously they were crazily rare, and obviously bots would find more, if they were running 24/7. This affected me how..? It certainly didn't decrease my excitement when I found one for myself. I could still have amazing fun leveling new alts all the time, trying new builds, experimenting, lld/mld,pking etc.
Posted by Stiflah
Great stuff! The best thing is the very same argument works for D3! Just let me modify what you say:
Obviously very good D3 items are crazily rare, and obviously bots do find more, if they are running 24/7. This affects me how..? It certainly doesn't decrease my excitement when I find one for myself. I can still have amazing fun leveling at least all classes in SC & HC, trying new builds without having to waste hours just cause I wanted to test something new, freely experimenting with these builds, lld/mld (duel option with the upcoming patch, but yes yes, not the same, ok ok sir), no pking k buh, etc.
Ok, seems I forgot you NEVER find any good items at all, else one of them surely would have been an upgrade for your character... but yes, you found zero.
Of course you couldn't get full perfect gear in D2 self-found in a few weeks - no-one would have bothered playing. But you could and did find many amazing pieces for you and your alts.
In all my time playing D3, I didn't find a single upgrade for myself. I'm aware lots of people did, but ZERO upgrades for myself? Not 1, but 0. That's utterly and completely ridiculous.
Amazing! In all your time playing D3, from beginning (first character, lvl 1) to the end, you never found a better item than the starting gear! Ok let's say you did exaggerate a bit and got a few upgrades till you hit lvl 60. After that you had zero upgrades until today. Thanks for such high quality comments! I guess I'm rather lucky as I found hundreds of upgrades, even with lvl 60 and am still finding new ones, like not too long ago my wiz shoulders, helmet and barb helmet, pants... etc etc. Not the perfect gear, but still amazing pieces for me and my alts. Deja-vu?
Which wasnt any different at D2. Trading was the only way to get the good stuff, unless people did bot - which many did, sadly.
01/13/2013 11:27 PMAbsurd nonsense.
Posted by Stiflah
I doubt that trading and botting in D2 is absurd nonsense. Also, the AH itself isn't a new thing, in D2 it was called "the internet"... ain't such a small scale. Of course an ingame AH is an addition, but hey, at the same time a good amount of shady/forum trading got cut down cause items are availabe in a much more comfortable way. Looking at the pure numbers of items availabe on the D3 AH and the "D2 AH" D3 does have a lot less good ones, even when looking at the same period of time (from the release of D3 till today).
That aside I do think the ingame AH is a huge problem. Not because of "designed" droprates but because of people not deserving such a powerful tool. Without the AH and things like a viewable char profile, the process of discovering good-amazing-epic-perfect items would have been so much slower... well except for the people shopping like in D2.
I hope you will quote this and say something like "absurd utter nonsense" - but always remember: The only nonsense will be your found-zero-upgrades-in-all-my-time-playing-D3 comment.