01/31/2013 01:35 PM
Posted by Boozor
I think you are missing the point, you can easily farm and play with 10apoc, I do it all the time. You are comparing apples and oranges... you are making a comparison between being able to successfully farm with 10apoc to being the equivalent of 50cc/18apoc without a specific build in which you are speaking of. There are many MANY variations of CM builds and all are quite viable depending on your specific attack speed/ehp/dps and skill sets. The answer to the OPs question is Yes you can run CM wizzy build on 10apoc, I do it all the time... but most common CM builds require more apoc with decent CC.
What is the build that you use that can farm efficiently with 10 APOC?
This is revolutionary news, we must tell the masses !
The build I run up to MP8 is currently running in my profile. Is it easy not at all, do I enjoy playing with it, from time to time. Is it efficient? Is ANYTHING really efficient besides WW Barb in this game? Those questions are quite different opposed to a playable PvE play at your own pace D3 stat of the game at the moment. Especially with questions like the OP states without any variable being stated or specific builds being mentioned.
@Succubus: Not to sound snobbish, but you're definition of playable is VERY different from mine. And compared to a lot of CM/WW wizards here, I've already got a low threshold for what's okay. I'm regularly roasted by forum regulars, such as Aimless, for running with so low AP regeneration.
And I personally do not consider it "playable" to be running out of AP with SNS CM/WW wizard on a single target, which is around 6.5 AP/sec. Most people discuss 6.75-7.5 as their minimums. You're running 3.2625 AP/sec, which means you're only doing fine in my estimation if you have two targets.
I don't much care about single targets for this build and avoid them for the most part. This isn't an ubers build and would be insanely sily to try and run this type of build for that purpose. I run this build only when farming keep depths, bridge, core and towers... highly dense areas. It is very easy to get the 5 stacks make the run log out and do it all over again.
For ubers, I throw on a Storm Crow and drop glass cannon, pick up astral presence and safe passage instead of MW or sometimes Slow time jump in a game. Diff builds for different purposes. But that is quite a different story.
I've also got 4 pieces to swap out to run Sustained Archon build, I also play a pieced together spin2win Barb from time to time...
People get on forums and take things slightly too technical and serious and see things for only face value. I don't think many are on here to nerdgasm over efficiency and spending billions on top of billions for tip top gear like they used to. I know Im no longer interested in that and countless others are the same way if not have fully quit the game and never play again... I play when I have absolutely NOTHING else to do. But that is not to say that I don't know 4 different classes very very well with over 600 hours of play.
Anywho, hopefully the info on this post helps the OP. No offense taken/none given.
just my .02cents