02/12/2013 02:25 AMPosted by FroixWhat advantage do you gain over OWE monks?
..how can you justify replacing OWE with alternative defensive passives? (Pacifism, Sixth Sense,...) What advantage do you gain over OWE monks?
you see, the high tier true OWE monks are the best, because we always have both resistances, we can use OWE, and we can also drop OWE. ;)
This gearing out of OWE shenanigan, was the result of the fear of nerf,
that they spoke once upon a time.
I however, have always remained true, to the only perfect passive that we have. ;)
Even if OWE is ever nerfed, the only time I will stop using OWE,
is if they change the Name "One With Everything" to something else. ;D
OWE = cheapest route to end game monk. This is the ONLY route for many players.
Dropping it does not open up "build diversity" with just one passive slot. One open passive is not build diversity. That is silly.
Does it limit your passive options? Yes, by one. So does any passive you choose. By one. Exactly one.
OWE also opens up gear diversity. You double stack here, you can grab spirit regen there. You can't find the high dex WH you want and can afford? Grab a single resist one instead.
No idea why people argue over this. Use it or don't. It won't be nerfed either way.
02/12/2013 05:50 AMPosted by MrMojoRisinDoes it limit your passive options? Yes, by one. So does any passive you choose. By one. Exactly one
Transcendence though, I'm gonna have to disagree with the OP, this is not so useless. With nearly 50% CC and about an APS of 2 you can easily get 27 spirit per second just from a single target with quickening. That's 1674 life per second, and furthermore life that you can "stock up on" as you store spirit. Great? Perhaps not, but I'd say it's not a completely terrible skill.
All I can tell you is I picked 4 items I told you about. They cost about 32 million, buyout and were on the AH all at the same time. I put them on your character via D3 up and you gained 13% DPS and 9% EHP. I'm not even shopping around. I'm not bidding. I'm just looking at the AH right now.
02/12/2013 08:48 AMPosted by gotaplanstanDropping it does not open up "build diversity" with just one passive slot. One open passive is not build diversity. That is silly.
You're 100% right. But being able to drop it AND Serenity does. 2/9 skills free to choose whatever you want? Yes please.
Comparing our buffed stats using different builds makes this a very curious exercise. You can clearly tell that my build was selected to help improve the group's DPS as a whole, while yours is focused on your own DPS.
Thats one of the biggest points. Dropping OWE allows for more build diversity or flexibility. Can you run the exact same skills I normally use (replace FA with BW) on mp10 without dying? I'm guessing no since you use OWE. So while you take that + FIW, I take FS+CS (since nameless or kamel generally run FIW).
02/11/2013 08:11 PMPosted by PiffleAnd if you usually use MoH when solo, this changes again. Because I always use MoC.
Haven't used MoC since I dropped OWE. One of the main reasons in doing so, was so I could bring GL without anyone (including myself) having to lose anything self or group beneficial.
02/11/2013 08:11 PMPosted by PiffleFinally, I don't know why you keep bringing up how much you've spent on your gear. It's meaningless.
Because apparently its whats keeping people like yourself from making the change. Its the ONLY thing that its really got going for it. Saving money. I couldn't afford to upgrade with OWE, and I can't now without it. I fail to see how having OWE compared to now, would help me in any way.
What advantage do you gain over OWE monks?
There are many advantages to gear out OWE... Believe it or not but you do get diversity of builds... I'm thinking of TR, bells builds... You see,this is the problem with OWE, i.e you're stuck with the ccookie cutter builds...
i'm free to get p'up radius, or life% or something where i otherwise couldn't.
You were free to get it before. You didn't HAVE to get double resist on everything.
Double resist on one thing means single or NO RESIST on something else. Single resist that isn't AR means a wider spectrum of gear to choose from.
It does NOT limit gear choice. It EXPANDS it.
I have not geared out of OwE and I use TR. TR is most effective on MP 0. When I first started doing TR, I had 27k health and 290 AR.
Ok, so this even further skews the numbers from yesterday, because I always run MoC. I don't need the extra resist from MoH, I can survive without them because I have 150 more resist than you do.
So now I am at 666k dps and you're only doing 44% of my damage. Meanwhile, our EH is the same.
So you've effectively traded OwE and MoC for Guiding Light and MoH, losing damage and EH on both your gear and your build.
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