Blizz is inviting streamers to office

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01/22/2014 01:12 PMPosted by Softwerker
I have seen countless threads about how Blizzard is avoiding the com and has lost contact to their payerbase. Now they try to get into contact with major community influencers to get into contact again - and it is of course the worst thing in the world.

I don't mind this summit thing, but when people ask for Blizzard to be closer to the community, I would imagine they want Blizzard to communicate on the forums, blogs, and even through the nice little Q&As of old.
Not sit down and have smalltalk with some random streamers :) Streamers most of us have likely never heard about.
I dislike the fact that you invited these streamers. They are your average gamers who decided to streams. I understand you want to influence these streamers so they too can influence the viewers. However, considering the fact that there is about 5000 viewers of less of Diablo 3 in twitch, I think they are someone you should not have invite. You could have done something with the community, maybe a small request, contest. .etc. Get the players who like this game, who give feedback be the ones you invite.

I also cab understand that you invited them, but how many,?
01/22/2014 12:58 PMPosted by TeRRaRiZeR
What does any of this have to do with making great video games?


It's about building and supporting a gaming community. That's what community managers work to do. That's also what many fan sites, streamers, YouTubers, bloggers, MVPs, and -- heck -- even some players who've accrued large followings on Twitter work to do, as well, and we want to support that endeavor. In fact, there's lots of great posters here that work towards that same goal, though may not even realize it.

If you can build and a support a gaming community, that leads to great discussions and feedback, which can in turn help with making great video games. Similarly, if you can build and a support a gaming community, that also (in many cases) leads to a better overall experience with game itself -- for some players, at least, certainly not everyone.
Blizzard wants to meet some of their players??!! They're what ??trying to get feedback???!!!!
Something fishy is going on. /sarcasm

Wow I actually thought this was good news.

Blizzard is rounding up some streamers/ community people to schmooze, big deal.
Instead, people seem to think there is something nefarious going on when this is business as usual.

Like it has been stated, everybody does this. If Moldran and King Kongor hadn't made a video about it, then we wouldn't be trying to read something into it. I am really hoping they are able to contribute something to improve the game while they are there.
01/22/2014 01:21 PMPosted by MCHammer
I also cab understand that you invited them, but how many,?


That's not a question I can answer. I'm not a participant in the EU community summit nor have I had any hand in planning it personally. You'd need to reach out to the EU community team. :)

I'm only speaking as someone who's participated and hosted similar summits in the US.
Streamers are popular, and are considered press. Reviews have been gold so far.

Not that I care much for what any streamer might have to say (they might say something clever, but it would be independent of them being streamers), but people can give perfectly fine feedback on D3 even if they have not played D1 and D2.

Seeing the data clear cut? Funny.


That's only because it's your perspective. Unless you experienced certain mechanics problems and studied their solutions, and have seen how solutions present themselves, it's only your limited experience that allows you to create a theoretical concept, and not a real world scenario.

Experience helps, but people can have gained that in countless other places than Diablo 1 and 2.
Or should it also be a requirement that you have played Sacred, Titan Quest, PoE, Torchlight, Borderlands, and Tetris?
People have different experiences and give different feedback. Trying to qualify that feedback based on some narrow views on what constitutes a "D2 vet" is not beneficial to the actual quality of feedback Blizzard can get.
01/22/2014 01:25 PMPosted by Lylirra
I also cab understand that you invited them, but how many,?


That's not a question I can answer. I'm not a participant in the EU community summit nor have I had any hand in planning it personally. You'd need to reach out to the EU community team. :)

I'm only speaking as someone who's participated and hosted similar summits in the US.


I don't need an answer. It wouldn't serve any purpose. My point was that I rather you guys get the "little" people in on this, the ones who are within these forum. But, like I said, I understand on the business perspective why you guys would rather get streamer to come. They DO hold influence, whether it's 100 or 500 people.

I'm sure these people right now

http://www.twitch.tv/directory/game/Diablo%20III%3A%20Reaper%20of%20Souls

ALl those guys, even them 2 "viewers". Such Influence!
Open RoS beta would better for the D3 community than a trip Paris , i'm tired of opting in, sooo disenchanted by this GUURBEEGE.
It sounds like Blizzard is actually having a twerp party. They will pick the two biggest geeks and escort them to this party in Paris and win the bet they are having.

What better choice than a couple of Youtube Yahoo's.
Your summits are a nice idea but i think pretty useless. You want advice how to work together better? In EU forums people made several threads complaining about these forums being managed badly. Nothing has changed since then.

Any thread with good ideas and constructive ideas gets no attention by the CM. Even direct question remain unanswered. I have several threads in my favourites that prove this.

I am talking for the EU forums. They are wasteland not more. Their inactivity is a result of inactive CMs i am just one of the persons who used to be active there and moved to this place since no CM cares anyway about these forums. The technical forums are the only ones who are managed.

So yeah, as speaking for EU community, your summits are a waste of time and money nothings gonna change. You got enough advices what to change.
01/22/2014 01:23 PMPosted by Lylirra
What does any of this have to do with making great video games?


It's about building and supporting a gaming community. That's what community managers work to do. That's also what many fan sites, streamers, YouTubers, bloggers, MVPs, and -- heck -- even some players who've accrued large followings on Twitter work to do, as well, and we want to support that endeavor. In fact, there's lots of great posters here that work towards that same goal, though may not even realize it.

If you can build and a support a gaming community, that leads to great discussions and feedback, which can in turn help with making great video games. Similarly, if you can build and a support a gaming community, that also (in many cases) leads to a better overall experience with game itself -- for some players, at least, certainly not everyone.


Or you can just focus on making a great video game and the community will grow around that organically: please refer to D1, SC, D2, HL,vanilla WoW, HL2, L4D... etc., etc., etc... Instead of the approach of making a weird hybridized, incredibly beautiful and yet incredibly shallow addition to a much loved franchise and then using what appears to be an attempt at paid viral marketing to further push a deservedly maligned expansion onto the playerbase, instead of fixing the foundation of the game itself.

Build a good game/expansion and there's no need to fly anyone to Paris... they'll come to you.
What does any of this have to do with making great video games?


It's about building and supporting a gaming community. That's what community managers work to do. That's also what many fan sites, streamers, YouTubers, bloggers, MVPs, and -- heck -- even some players who've accrued large followings on Twitter work to do, as well, and we want to support that endeavor. In fact, there's lots of great posters here that work towards that same goal, though may not even realize it.

If you can build and a support a gaming community, that leads to great discussions and feedback, which can in turn help with making great video games. Similarly, if you can build and a support a gaming community, that also (in many cases) leads to a better overall experience with game itself -- for some players, at least, certainly not everyone.


There's already a large community of people who play Blizz games and contribute to the company's feedback loop. There's already a well built and established Blizzard/diablo/starcraft/wow community that has published endless topics, and started endless conversations about Blizzard and their games.

You know how this initial community was built? By your developers and leaders spending 100% of their focus and resources on making amazing games that people fell in love with (past tense, because it hasn't been this way at Blizzard for some time now). That's how you build and grow the community.
01/22/2014 01:44 PMPosted by Spank


It's about building and supporting a gaming community. That's what community managers work to do. That's also what many fan sites, streamers, YouTubers, bloggers, MVPs, and -- heck -- even some players who've accrued large followings on Twitter work to do, as well, and we want to support that endeavor. In fact, there's lots of great posters here that work towards that same goal, though may not even realize it.

If you can build and a support a gaming community, that leads to great discussions and feedback, which can in turn help with making great video games. Similarly, if you can build and a support a gaming community, that also (in many cases) leads to a better overall experience with game itself -- for some players, at least, certainly not everyone.


Or you can just focus on making a great video game and the community will grow around that organically: please refer to D1, SC, D2, HL,vanilla WoW, HL2, L4D... etc., etc., etc... Instead of the approach of making a weird hybridized, incredibly beautiful and yet incredibly shallow addition to a much loved franchise and then using what appears to be an attempt at paid viral marketing to further push a deservedly maligned expansion onto the playerbase, instead of fixing the foundation of the game itself.

Build a good game/expansion and there's no need to fly anyone to Paris... they'll come to you.


This.
It sounds like Blizzard is actually having a twerp party. They will pick the two biggest geeks and escort them to this party in Paris and win the bet they are having.

What better choice than a couple of Youtube Yahoo's.


You may just be trolling (I honestly can't tell), but if you're not (which may totally be the case), I just want to clarify that Moldran and KingKongor are not the only individuals invited. They're just likely the only individuals who've made videos about it. I imagine that many of the fansites listed here are also invited. There may also be some English sites invited, depending on where they're geographically located.

There will also be fan sites and influencers from all of our gaming communities in EU in attendance, not just D3.
Or you can just focus on making a great video game and the community will grow around that organically: please refer to D1, SC, D2, HL,vanilla WoW, HL2, L4D... etc., etc., etc... Instead of the approach of making a weird hybridized, incredibly beautiful and yet incredibly shallow addition to a much loved franchise and then using what appears to be an attempt at paid viral marketing to further push a deservedly maligned expansion onto the playerbase, instead of fixing the foundation of the game itself.

Build a good game/expansion and there's no need to fly anyone to Paris... they'll come to you.


There's already a large community of people who play Blizz games and contribute to the company's feedback loop. There's already a well built and established Blizzard/diablo/starcraft/wow community that has published endless topics, and started endless conversations about Blizzard and their games.

You know how this initial community was built? By your developers and leaders spending 100% of their focus and resources on making amazing games that people fell in love with. That's how you build and grow the community.


Both good post. I was going to make similar points in my next response, but these will do!
well i gues most streamers are at least able to read forums if they lack data info...

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