NERF Wizards and the 3 zdps meta immediately

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Why everyone that is complaining about a class being OP because of a piece of gear is the one that is not playing the class. Every season, we have a different class that is OP. Last season, monk are shining, this season wiz and crusader are shining. But yet, all those DH have their shining is jealous of it.
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Last season it was barb/monk/monk/(barb or monk, rarely a wd)

This season is not perfect, but it's an improvement.
01/26/2016 07:10 AMPosted by Strider
The problem with the Twister sword is it sucks without the support. You can't even do T10 with it you will get owned. I don't feel that it is that OP, I feel that other classes are under powered. Twister wiz is only as powerful as its support.


dont tell that to the guy that soloed 84 grift with it
wish this guy would just face it, this is how this game works. new class op every few months, some people enjoy that, other people play world of warcraft
01/26/2016 09:56 AMPosted by Ambria
Has a character named zdps
Complains about zdps meta


because your forced into playing zdps if your not a wizard or a zdps class supporting a wizard
01/26/2016 10:44 AMPosted by tanthil
wish this guy would just face it, this is how this game works. new class op every few months, some people enjoy that, other people play world of warcraft


01/26/2016 10:00 AMPosted by Wind
Every season, we have a different class that is OP. Last season, monk are shining, this season wiz and crusader are shining. But yet, all those DH have their shining is jealous of it.


I thought SC monk should of been nerfed too.

There is no reason blizz can make occasional class balancing between dps builds so they are all semi good within a few grift levels instead of a single overpowered class that is literally the entire leaderboard.
01/26/2016 09:51 AMPosted by KhalARon
You should not assume that Energy Twisters are:

1) at the right spot 100% of the time, and
2) doing damage 100% of the time, and
3) in the DMO Slow Time bubble 100% of the time, and
4) on the right rotation for Convention of Elements 100% of the time.

That's not how it works!


The damage is high enough that it dosen't need that high of accuracy percentage. Its still overkill and able to clear 100+ grifts.

01/26/2016 09:51 AMPosted by KhalARon
If you take away the Reaper Wrap and health globe abuse, there will not be as many twisters coming out. Etched Sigil will pump one out per second. It is the health globe spam that puts out the tons of twisters AND keeps a 4 man group alive.


As long as its some kind of nerf to bring wizards into line with other dps classes. I don't care if its 1-30% stronger than everyone else but being the entire leaderboard is ridiculous.
Thank you for submitting your concern over class balance to the Blizzard community forums. Your suggestion(s) have been forwarded to Wyatt Chang for review and an official announcement on why everything is working as intended may follow in 10-21 business days.

Sarcasm and pessimism aside, I'd expect this to be handled exactly like Monks from Season 4 were. Abused ability/item nerfed for next season, but mid season just sort of passively noticed.

As for your (and many other people's) suggestion of capping the power of the Twisted Sword, I think it's pretty good. I'd also welcome a minimum cooldown time for ET of around 0.5 seconds, but that's a barely thought out idea.
01/26/2016 09:56 AMPosted by Ambria
Has a character named zdpsComplains about zdps meta


lol, so true

my guess is he doesn't like to be a support WD and that's why he's QQ
01/26/2016 11:00 AMPosted by yang
01/26/2016 09:51 AMPosted by KhalARon
You should not assume that Energy Twisters are:

1) at the right spot 100% of the time, and
2) doing damage 100% of the time, and
3) in the DMO Slow Time bubble 100% of the time, and
4) on the right rotation for Convention of Elements 100% of the time.

That's not how it works!


The damage is high enough that it dosen't need that high of accuracy percentage. Its still overkill and able to clear 100+ grifts.

01/26/2016 09:51 AMPosted by KhalARon
If you take away the Reaper Wrap and health globe abuse, there will not be as many twisters coming out. Etched Sigil will pump one out per second. It is the health globe spam that puts out the tons of twisters AND keeps a 4 man group alive.


As long as its some kind of nerf to bring wizards into line with other dps classes. I don't care if its 1-30% stronger than everyone else but being the entire leaderboard is ridiculous.


YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND HOW WIZARDS WORK!

Wizards have limitations that no other class has. We have to do all our damage

1) in a bubble,
2) while channeling and
3) using Etched Sigil and/or
4) dumping AP into Energy Twisters for peak damage that will not stay in the DMO6 bubble long.
5) Energy Twisters outside of the bubble to do far less damage.

6) In order for a Wizard to put up another bubble to immediately do damage, we have to use the Illusionist passive and take a 15% hit to damage! Either that, or we have to break channeling and cast a primary 4 times to reset the Slow Time bubble, which will result in far less tornadoes.
01/26/2016 09:51 AMPosted by KhalARon
The problem is the resource management. A Wizard can dump 5-6 ETs worth of AP and be drained completely at peak twister count. You would know if you played the Wizard, which you don't. You have one wizard at 70 this season, and it is not even fully geared.


So if Wiz can only pump out 5 or 6 twisters before being OOM where is the problem on putting a cap on the sword. If you put a cap on the stack at 10 x, that's 4 more than you say you can achieve. SO HOW CAN THAT EFFECT WIZ or the sword ? You CAN'T apparently do more than 6 stacks max.

What you mean is if they cap it, then you can't get to GR 100+ as is.
01/26/2016 06:26 AMPosted by yang
Yes, i used the word nerf and most wizards won't like that. Whatever.

Wizards are so blatantly overpowered they can clear 100+ Grifts with 3 zdps classes. No other dps class can even come close to doing this.Wizards essentially control the entire 4 player leaderboard and needs to be nerfed now for overall class balance in grifts. Then, the 3 zdps meta will be gone overnight and other non-Wizard DPS classes will actually have a chance to play.

Class balancing between every class within reason is something Blizz needs to be doing constantly even during seasons so a single class doesn't dominate everything. Its also the first week of the season so it wont have that much impact if changes are made now.

There is no reason we should let wizard + 3 zdps control the leaderboards for 3 months just so you can HOPE that your _______ class can be the one overpowered next patch.

MAKE every dps class somewhat balanced and MAKE changes through out seasons and of course, bring wizards back to earth so others can have the chance to play dps in HIGH grift groups as opposed to zdps support roles for a wizard.


Just nerf the ET sword. There needs to be a cap on it.


This season its ET wizards stacking attack speed being able to spam ET to infinity with 3 zdps generating orbs so they can spam more ET. Each extra ET they pump out gives astacking damage boost with the weapon they have.

The Broken Sword

Energy Twister damage is increased by 125–150% for each Energy Twister you have out.

Wizards have a damage multiplier of 2000% from their set.
100% multiplier from their compass set bonus
150% for each Energy Twister
2000% * 200% = 4000% So you have a 4000% normal damage multiplier from set bonuses and this is then multiplied by 150% for each ET.

One ET is 4000% * 250% = 10000%
2 ET is 4000% * 250% * 250% ( base ET damage increased for each ET) = 25000 %
3 ET is 4000% * 250% ^ 3 ( base ET damage increased again) = 62500 %
20 ETs being out = some stupid high dps number....

additive
One ET is 4000% * 250% = 10000%
2 ET is 4000% * (1 + % ( base ET damage increased for each ET) = 16000%
3 ET is 4000% * (1 + % + % ( base ET damage increased again) = 22000%
20 ETs being out = another stupid high dps number....

Both calculations have ET doing stupid amount of damage

On top of that base set bonus and ET multipler bonus, you then multiply those bonuses with the damage buff, debuffs and grouping that 3 zdps party members provide and the nonstop globes for resource generation with massive attack speed stacking for more ET spam, you can easily see how powerful these buffs stack together and they get exponentially stronger with every ET they can put out. Which is why they are they are much better than any other class and needs to be nerfed.

Zdps classes are not the problem. Its certain specs that have broken mechanics ( ET Wiz, Static charge monk) that are overpowered. Take any 3 zdps classes and put them in a group with a DPS barb, monk, wd, dh or sader and they will never be able to clear grift 100+ with 3 zdps in the party this season.


This post is hilarious! Reaper wraps are the problem without this it's not possible to spam endlessly like demon hunters one did, oh and let's not forget about zero dog.

This is how blizzard balances and no patch will happen mid season, Where were you guys when the wizard class along with saders and demo hunters were left out of the meta? It was barbs/monks or bust! At least you guys get to be supports this time around. Last season non of the other classes even had an option to join outside of making a monk/sader.

Maybe if monks/barbs actually supported this thread back when it was flipped this time around things wild be different, but no Instead all that happened was barbs and monks coming out telling everyone that they deserved to dominate game and it was their turn. Well karma just came back and slapped you all.

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/18704978148
This post is hilarious! Reaper wraps are the problem without this it's not possible to spam endlessly like demon hunters one did, oh and let's not forget about zero dog.

This is how blizzard balances and no patch will happen mid season, Where were you guys when the wizard class along with saders and demo hunters were left out of the meta? It was barbs/monks or bust! At least you guys get to be supports this time around. Last season non of the other classes even had an option to join outside of making a monk/sader.

Maybe if monks/barbs actually supported this thread back when it was flipped this time around things wild be different, but no Instead all that happened was barbs and monks coming out telling everyone that they deserved to dominate game and it was their turn. Well karma just came back and slapped you all.

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/18704978148


I'm ok with a indirect nerf to reaper's wrap but it will also hurt other classes that use it. Its better to go to the source of the problem and nerf the Twisted Sword directly and cap it at a certain number of ETs.

Put the cap at a spot where wizards are still strong against other classes but not overpowered to the point it dominates every other class.

Also, I'm not and neither are other players responsible for class balancing in d3. I would love to have every dps class to be semi competitive in group play.
Please don't move this thread into the Wizard forum. We have two rotting/fermenting versions of these there already.

Put it in "Items and Crafting." It's about Twisted Sword right? That's an item!
Yeah, I came back for a few days this season. But then when I realized how absurdly imbalanced the Wizard was this season I decided to just stop playing completely.

It's season 5 and imbalance seems to be at it's peak since RoS was released. I guess they have a pretty terrible feedback loop going if things get worse with every iteration.
01/26/2016 06:26 AMPosted by yang
Yes, i used the word nerf and most wizards won't like that. Whatever.

Wizards are so blatantly overpowered they can clear 100+ Grifts with 3 zdps classes. No other dps class can even come close to doing this.Wizards essentially control the entire 4 player leaderboard and needs to be nerfed now for overall class balance in grifts. Then, the 3 zdps meta will be gone overnight and other non-Wizard DPS classes will actually have a chance to play.

Class balancing between every class within reason is something Blizz needs to be doing constantly even during seasons so a single class doesn't dominate everything. Its also the first week of the season so it wont have that much impact if changes are made now.

There is no reason we should let wizard + 3 zdps control the leaderboards for 3 months just so you can HOPE that your _______ class can be the one overpowered next patch.

MAKE every dps class somewhat balanced and MAKE changes through out seasons and of course, bring wizards back to earth so others can have the chance to play dps in HIGH grift groups as opposed to zdps support roles for a wizard.


Just nerf the ET sword. There needs to be a cap on it.


This season its ET wizards stacking attack speed being able to spam ET to infinity with 3 zdps generating orbs so they can spam more ET. Each extra ET they pump out gives astacking damage boost with the weapon they have.

The Broken Sword

Energy Twister damage is increased by 125–150% for each Energy Twister you have out.

Wizards have a damage multiplier of 2000% from their set.
100% multiplier from their compass set bonus
150% for each Energy Twister
2000% * 200% = 4000% So you have a 4000% normal damage multiplier from set bonuses and this is then multiplied by 150% for each ET.

One ET is 4000% * 250% = 10000%
2 ET is 4000% * 250% * 250% ( base ET damage increased for each ET) = 25000 %
3 ET is 4000% * 250% ^ 3 ( base ET damage increased again) = 62500 %
20 ETs being out = some stupid high dps number....

additive
One ET is 4000% * 250% = 10000%
2 ET is 4000% * (1 + % ( base ET damage increased for each ET) = 16000%
3 ET is 4000% * (1 + % + % ( base ET damage increased again) = 22000%
20 ETs being out = another stupid high dps number....

Both calculations have ET doing stupid amount of damage

On top of that base set bonus and ET multipler bonus, you then multiply those bonuses with the damage buff, debuffs and grouping that 3 zdps party members provide and the nonstop globes for resource generation with massive attack speed stacking for more ET spam, you can easily see how powerful these buffs stack together and they get exponentially stronger with every ET they can put out. Which is why they are they are much better than any other class and needs to be nerfed.

Zdps classes are not the problem. Its certain specs that have broken mechanics ( ET Wiz, Static charge monk) that are overpowered. Take any 3 zdps classes and put them in a group with a DPS barb, monk, wd, dh or sader and they will never be able to clear grift 100+ with 3 zdps in the party this season.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6oAQHROtzs

That's you, basically.
#KillTheReaperWraps
Remember a DH clearing the whole screen with one click, even without zdps globe support, while a wizard was literally kicked from GR parties?

Or last season where half or 3/4 of the party was made out of monks?

Public gr is as good as it has never been, each class has good dps builds and with a support monk/ wd/barb a pub gr party is very enjoyable, it's only the high gr meta that's set in stone and you have no choice in class or gearing... Like always.

+1 on the cap on TS thou, to whatever a wizard can pump out solo... 10 (with Etched Sigil support)?

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