The Future of Firebird's Finery

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Firebird's Finery has been the focus of a lot of community discussion since the launch of Patch 2.4.1. As the patch and current Season settle in, we want to take a moment to share development insight on what's coming for this powerful class set in the future.

Firebird’s Finery has come a long way since its original implementation. We’re really happy with its theme. It’s the Fire set for Wizards and puts you in a place where you can burninate all the things. That’s awesome, we like that, and we want to preserve that feeling. On the other hand, we’re not happy with the bugs we’ve encountered and it’s become clear we need to take a new approach. We’re working on a fix that will be introduced in a future patch.

So, what does that mean for Season 6? There are a lot of players who have pushed hard and reached high ranks with these unintended bugs. However, we don’t want to punish players for working within the parameters given to them. To that end, the current functionality will remain intact for the duration of Season 6. Once these bugs have been resolved, you can expect that the power level of Firebird’s will be much more in line with other sets.
05/25/2016 02:40 PMPosted by Nevalistis
Firebird's Finery has been the focus of a lot of community discussion since the launch of Patch 2.4.1. As the patch and current Season settle in, we want to take a moment to share development insight on what's coming for this powerful class set in the future.

Firebird’s Finery has come a long way since its original implementation. We’re really happy with its theme. It’s the Fire set for Wizards and puts you in a place where you can burninate all the things. That’s awesome, we like that, and we want to preserve that feeling. On the other hand, we’re not happy with the bugs we’ve encountered and it’s become clear we need to take a new approach. We’re working on a fix that will be introduced in a future patch.

So, what does that mean for Season 6? There are a lot of players who have pushed hard and reached high ranks with these unintended bugs. However, we don’t want to punish players for working within the parameters given to them. To that end, the current functionality will remain intact for the duration of Season 6. Once these bugs have been resolved, you can expect that the power level of Firebird’s will be much more in line with other sets.


asia is pushing higher GRS with tals + vyrs than anyone has done with firebirds + vyrs

why nerf the second best performing set that is easier/more fun to play?
05/25/2016 02:44 PMPosted by Splatmaster
firebirds + vyrs


Excuse me? Everyone uses this combo for speeds not pushing. Firebird does way out of line damage compared to our other sets, but it's clear that when it comes to pushing the highest of GR you're going to start needing more than just pure damage and that's why Tal's preforms better. We see this with Tal's twisters meta, even with supports. Once you're done pushing the highest of GR's it's back to Firebird for everything else because it's damage cannot be ignored or replaced.

Saying 'second best' is moot to the fact that it does more damage and then even MORE damage due to double dip bug.

Besides we all know they won't just nerf or 'fix' firebird so it preforms worse than it does now and be done with it. Not how they roll, they don't ever want a feelsbadman patch This just leaves the door wide open for even more power creep yet again..
05/25/2016 02:44 PMPosted by Splatmaster
05/25/2016 02:40 PMPosted by Nevalistis
Firebird's Finery has been the focus of a lot of community discussion since the launch of Patch 2.4.1. As the patch and current Season settle in, we want to take a moment to share development insight on what's coming for this powerful class set in the future.

Firebird’s Finery has come a long way since its original implementation. We’re really happy with its theme. It’s the Fire set for Wizards and puts you in a place where you can burninate all the things. That’s awesome, we like that, and we want to preserve that feeling. On the other hand, we’re not happy with the bugs we’ve encountered and it’s become clear we need to take a new approach. We’re working on a fix that will be introduced in a future patch.

So, what does that mean for Season 6? There are a lot of players who have pushed hard and reached high ranks with these unintended bugs. However, we don’t want to punish players for working within the parameters given to them. To that end, the current functionality will remain intact for the duration of Season 6. Once these bugs have been resolved, you can expect that the power level of Firebird’s will be much more in line with other sets.


asia is pushing higher GRS with tals + vyrs than anyone has done with firebirds + vyrs

why nerf the second best performing set that is easier/more fun to play?


because blizzard.

firebirds is not the problem it's chantodos and Archon stacks that give us the damage unless they are specifically referring to the glitched build.. but that is just a glitch nothing needs to be changed with firebirds damage
Ha-ha wow just wow.
05/25/2016 02:53 PMPosted by MasterJay
05/25/2016 02:44 PMPosted by Splatmaster
firebirds + vyrs


Excuse me? Everyone uses this combo for speeds not pushing. Firebird does way out of line damage compared to our other sets, but it's clear that when it comes to pushing the highest of GR you're going to start needing more than just pure damage and that's why Tal's preforms better. We see this with Tal's twisters meta, even with supports. Once you're done pushing the highest of GR's it's back to Firebird for everything else because it's damage cannot be ignored or replaced.

Saying 'second best' is moot to the fact that it does more damage and then even MORE damage due to double dip bug.

Besides we all know they won't just nerf or 'fix' firebird so it preforms worse than it does now and be done with it. Not how they roll, they don't ever want a feelsbadman patch This just leaves the door wide open for even more power creep yet again..


top builds on US right now are all firebirds + vyrs and capable of upper 90s-low 100s (102)

top build on asia is 103 and uses tals + vyrs
Is this to say there won't be punishment for people intentionally abusing these bugs? Specifically the build where people are forgoing offensive stats and destroying things, is this kind of thing ok?
Because people found a way to exploit the mechanic on the 4 set to gain a perma 50 fb stack for the entire rift duration. So all the people enjoying the fb archon build and playing the way it was intended are now punished. Season 6 is practically over for me now. Good job.
05/25/2016 03:00 PMPosted by Skerzy
Is this to say there won't be punishment for people intentionally abusing these bugs?


Nope. We will not be taking action on accounts for this.
05/25/2016 03:05 PMPosted by GoneHOLLOW
Because people found a way to exploit the mechanic on the 4 set to gain a perma 50 fb stack for the entire rift duration. So all the people enjoying the fb archon build and playing the way it was intended are now punished. Season 6 is practically over for me now. Good job.


oh don't worry the top 2-4 spots are still legit clears
Well, I guess it's time to super-simplify the set bonuses to avoid future bugs. Heck, you could turn it into a set that makes Mirror Image more useful.
I see in Europe Solo wiz leaderboards people with crappy gear, no augments and low level gems get first place in the leaderboards while the rest of us are still grinding our way up without trying to exploit this bug. So now it is a race who will exploit this bug faster and get rank 1...
05/25/2016 03:06 PMPosted by Nevalistis
05/25/2016 03:00 PMPosted by Skerzy
Is this to say there won't be punishment for people intentionally abusing these bugs?


Nope. We will not be taking action on accounts for this.


umm so its ok to use this bug and get top rank 1 and wont get ban right? if so i will use this build...much faster with cheats to get high rank ladder
i love how this game finally has a viable build that doesnt revolve around CC/CD and everyone screams nerf it
Good news. And 3 cheers for the clear msg regarding action vs abusers (regardless what you think should/shouldn't be done).

This set sooooooo needs an overhaul.

If revive is retained, can we get phoenix powers while revive on cooldown? Powers that include mitigation? Also, dat meteor is so flavor-rich but totally underwhelming.
What a joke. It is clearly an intentional combination of bugs. I can understand not hotfixing the bug due to manpower constraints, but not sending a message that such abuses are not to be tolerated? That is absurd.

05/25/2016 02:40 PMPosted by Nevalistis
we don’t want to punish players for working within the parameters given to them


There you have it folks. Use every bug you can. Blizzard doesn't care.
How can you be serious about this?! You have people putting the efford in, augmenting gear, farming paragons with the sole purpose of reaching a high rank then you let these parasites abuse a bug that makes no sense what so ever and not only do you not plan to do anything to rectify the situation, you condone the use of the bug?! You make me sick.
05/25/2016 03:06 PMPosted by Nevalistis
05/25/2016 03:00 PMPosted by Skerzy
Is this to say there won't be punishment for people intentionally abusing these bugs?


Nope. We will not be taking action on accounts for this.


Thank you for the clear answer. I had only played the 'normal' firebird archon build, but now I won't be worried to try the non offensive stat thing people are doing.
05/25/2016 03:06 PMPosted by Nevalistis
05/25/2016 03:00 PMPosted by Skerzy
Is this to say there won't be punishment for people intentionally abusing these bugs?


Nope. We will not be taking action on accounts for this.


you know, that this set and it's double dipping is no exploit at all right? It has been known since september 2014 and explained in your forums here. It was game design, that now just is used in a clever way.

to call it a "bug", exploiting or cheating is wrong here.

original thread: http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/14279377907
Just remember the tornados stacked on last season, the monk on season 4, or even the wizards getting rekt by the hydra lag. This is a "common" thing on diablo.
If you want people to be punished for this (more than the rank removed from ladders) you will have to punish everyone who did the monk on s4, stacks on s5...

Also, its is an interaction betwheen two sets, blizzard aways nerf that. Like marauder + shadow chackram.

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