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I am gonna post info and refresh your memories:

Prior and at release of Diablo III, this is what was advertised:
http://i.imgur.com/obbDHOx.jpg?1

Blizzard promised PvP Arenas as "more formalized play-space designed exclusively for PvP combat" along with a Matchmaking system. You even get to see a picture which displays arena and a scoreboard.

Two months prior to the release, in a PvP update Blizzard said, that the PvP will be delayed and released post launch:
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/blog/4574895/diablo-iii-pvp-update-3-9-2012

A week before the release of Diablo III Blizzard released this trailer:
https://youtu.be/Lbr315gazdY?t=171

The trailer advertises "Fierce Player Vs Player Gladiatorial arenas" to be implemented post launch. This feature was NEVER implemented.

Right after the release of the game Jay Wilson mentioned in the very first Game Design Update, that they are "going full steam ahead on the PvP patch" in order to trick as many players interested in PvP into buying the game. That PvP was NEVER implemented.
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/blog/6018173/game-design-update-5-28-2012

Then later in the "Diablo III Developer "AMAA" Transcript", Jay was asked how happy he was with the progress done with PvP. He said, he was very happy, giving the impression that things are going good:
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/blog/6317360/6317360#pvp

Liquid5n0w: How happy are you with the progress on the PvP 1.1 patch? Are things looking good?

Jay Wilson: PVP is pretty fun, so very happy.

That PvP was NEVER implemented.

Then seven months after the release, seven months after Blizzard already took our money, Jay Wilson said in a new PvP Update, that they (Blizzard) don't find Team DeathMatch appropriate for Diablo III and that they (the developers) "are are going back to the drawing board on a new replacement for Team Deathmatch, something that feels more appropriate for Diablo III" and that "it'll be a free addition to the game":
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/blog/8163085/diablo-iii-pvp-update-12-27-2012
This promised "replacement" was NEVER implemented.

Also in "Ask the Devs" Round 1: Patch 1.0.7 - Answers, Kevin Martens, Lead Designer specified, that Brawling is Not a replacement for Team Deathmatch or any other types of more complex PvP modes. :
https://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/7895009644#2
With the above Kevin Martens basically suggested, that they are working on PvP modes in order to provide us with replacement for the missing PvP Arenas/Team Deathmatch.
However, no other PvP mode but Brawling (which as specified above is Not the replacement) was ever implemented, let alone a complex one.

In September 2013 , Blizzard retroactively edited the trailer on the official site for the game, and cut the parts about PvP and Auction House.

Later both the Gold Auction House and the Real Money Auction House were removed. Blizzard claimed, that they did it, because the players wanted it this way, but there are indications, that this is not the real reason:

Diablo 3 - Why the Auction House got Removed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvuVXtMLR4Q

I find it interesting how 4-5 years ago nobody cared, that Blizzard scammed the Diablo 3 player base out of advertised features. They basically pulled a bait & switch and pretty much nobody cared.
Few of the people in the gaming community, that were somewhat pro consummer were willing to absolutely destroy the reputation of some little inddie companies, pointing out every little issue about games, that everyone with a brain expected to be crappy and buying them would be more of a charity rather than buying a proper product;
yet when it came to Blizzard Entertainment and their full price AAA game, that basically failed to deliver advertised features and outright REMOVED advertised features, nobody dared to open his mouth, let alone take further action.

I also find it funny, how nowadays youtube is full of what are supposedly pro consummer gaming channels, that regularly point out lies from companies and developers, they can cry all they all day long for what are optional loot boxes in Overwatch. Hell, people draft laws, some countries even outlaw loot boxes... they can cry about Destiny 2, StarWars and so on...

I like the change, more pro consumer advocates and whatnot, but noone seems to remember D3 as what was probably the first major instance of a big company scamming it's player base in this decade.
06/09/2018 09:09 PMPosted by Noxifer
I am gonna post info and refresh your memories:

Prior and at release of Diablo III, this is what was advertised:
http://i.imgur.com/obbDHOx.jpg?1

Blizzard promised PvP Arenas as "more formalized play-space designed exclusively for PvP combat" along with a Matchmaking system. You even get to see a picture which displays arena and a scoreboard.

Two months prior to the release, in a PvP update Blizzard said, that the PvP will be delayed and released post launch:
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/blog/4574895/diablo-iii-pvp-update-3-9-2012

A week before the release of Diablo III Blizzard released this trailer:
https://youtu.be/Lbr315gazdY?t=171

The trailer advertises "Fierce Player Vs Player Gladiatorial arenas" to be implemented post launch. This feature was NEVER implemented.

Right after the release of the game Jay Wilson mentioned in the very first Game Design Update, that they are "going full steam ahead on the PvP patch" in order to trick as many players interested in PvP into buying the game. That PvP was NEVER implemented.
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/blog/6018173/game-design-update-5-28-2012

Then later in the "Diablo III Developer "AMAA" Transcript", Jay was asked how happy he was with the progress done with PvP. He said, he was very happy, giving the impression that things are going good:
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/blog/6317360/6317360#pvp

Liquid5n0w: How happy are you with the progress on the PvP 1.1 patch? Are things looking good?

Jay Wilson: PVP is pretty fun, so very happy.

That PvP was NEVER implemented.

Then seven months after the release, seven months after Blizzard already took our money, Jay Wilson said in a new PvP Update, that they (Blizzard) don't find Team DeathMatch appropriate for Diablo III and that they (the developers) "are are going back to the drawing board on a new replacement for Team Deathmatch, something that feels more appropriate for Diablo III" and that "it'll be a free addition to the game":
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/blog/8163085/diablo-iii-pvp-update-12-27-2012
This promised "replacement" was NEVER implemented.

Also in "Ask the Devs" Round 1: Patch 1.0.7 - Answers, Kevin Martens, Lead Designer specified, that Brawling is Not a replacement for Team Deathmatch or any other types of more complex PvP modes. :
https://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/7895009644#2
With the above Kevin Martens basically suggested, that they are working on PvP modes in order to provide us with replacement for the missing PvP Arenas/Team Deathmatch.
However, no other PvP mode but Brawling (which as specified above is Not the replacement) was ever implemented, let alone a complex one.

In September 2013 , Blizzard retroactively edited the trailer on the official site for the game, and cut the parts about PvP and Auction House.

Later both the Gold Auction House and the Real Money Auction House were removed. Blizzard claimed, that they did it, because the players wanted it this way, but there are indications, that this is not the real reason:

Diablo 3 - Why the Auction House got Removed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvuVXtMLR4Q

I find it interesting how 4-5 years ago nobody cared, that Blizzard scammed the Diablo 3 player base out of advertised features. They basically pulled a bait & switch and pretty much nobody cared.
Few of the people in the gaming community, that were somewhat pro consummer were willing to absolutely destroy the reputation of some little inddie companies, pointing out every little issue about games, that everyone with a brain expected to be crappy and buying them would be more of a charity rather than buying a proper product;
yet when it came to Blizzard Entertainment and their full price AAA game, that basically failed to deliver advertised features and outright REMOVED advertised features, nobody dared to open his mouth, let alone take further action.

I also find it funny, how nowadays youtube is full of what are supposedly pro consummer gaming channels, that regularly point out lies from companies and developers, they can cry all they all day long for what are optional loot boxes in Overwatch. Hell, people draft laws, some countries even outlaw loot boxes... they can cry about Destiny 2, StarWars and so on...

I like the change, more pro consumer advocates and whatnot, but noone seems to remember D3 as what was probably the first major instance of a big company scamming it's player base in this decade.


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It always surprises me how many people continue to feed them long after it's apparent they're trolls.
06/09/2018 09:09 PMPosted by Noxifer
I am gonna post info and refresh your memories:

Prior and at release of Diablo III, this is what was advertised:
http://i.imgur.com/obbDHOx.jpg?1

Blizzard promised PvP Arenas as "more formalized play-space designed exclusively for PvP combat" along with a Matchmaking system. You even get to see a picture which displays arena and a scoreboard.

Two months prior to the release, in a PvP update Blizzard said, that the PvP will be delayed and released post launch:
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/blog/4574895/diablo-iii-pvp-update-3-9-2012

A week before the release of Diablo III Blizzard released this trailer:
https://youtu.be/Lbr315gazdY?t=171

The trailer advertises "Fierce Player Vs Player Gladiatorial arenas" to be implemented post launch. This feature was NEVER implemented.

Right after the release of the game Jay Wilson mentioned in the very first Game Design Update, that they are "going full steam ahead on the PvP patch" in order to trick as many players interested in PvP into buying the game. That PvP was NEVER implemented.
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/blog/6018173/game-design-update-5-28-2012

Then later in the "Diablo III Developer "AMAA" Transcript", Jay was asked how happy he was with the progress done with PvP. He said, he was very happy, giving the impression that things are going good:
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/blog/6317360/6317360#pvp

Liquid5n0w: How happy are you with the progress on the PvP 1.1 patch? Are things looking good?

Jay Wilson: PVP is pretty fun, so very happy.

That PvP was NEVER implemented.

Then seven months after the release, seven months after Blizzard already took our money, Jay Wilson said in a new PvP Update, that they (Blizzard) don't find Team DeathMatch appropriate for Diablo III and that they (the developers) "are are going back to the drawing board on a new replacement for Team Deathmatch, something that feels more appropriate for Diablo III" and that "it'll be a free addition to the game":
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/blog/8163085/diablo-iii-pvp-update-12-27-2012
This promised "replacement" was NEVER implemented.

Also in "Ask the Devs" Round 1: Patch 1.0.7 - Answers, Kevin Martens, Lead Designer specified, that Brawling is Not a replacement for Team Deathmatch or any other types of more complex PvP modes. :
https://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/7895009644#2
With the above Kevin Martens basically suggested, that they are working on PvP modes in order to provide us with replacement for the missing PvP Arenas/Team Deathmatch.
However, no other PvP mode but Brawling (which as specified above is Not the replacement) was ever implemented, let alone a complex one.

In September 2013 , Blizzard retroactively edited the trailer on the official site for the game, and cut the parts about PvP and Auction House.

Later both the Gold Auction House and the Real Money Auction House were removed. Blizzard claimed, that they did it, because the players wanted it this way, but there are indications, that this is not the real reason:

Diablo 3 - Why the Auction House got Removed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvuVXtMLR4Q

I find it interesting how 4-5 years ago nobody cared, that Blizzard scammed the Diablo 3 player base out of advertised features. They basically pulled a bait & switch and pretty much nobody cared.
Few of the people in the gaming community, that were somewhat pro consummer were willing to absolutely destroy the reputation of some little inddie companies, pointing out every little issue about games, that everyone with a brain expected to be crappy and buying them would be more of a charity rather than buying a proper product;
yet when it came to Blizzard Entertainment and their full price AAA game, that basically failed to deliver advertised features and outright REMOVED advertised features, nobody dared to open his mouth, let alone take further action.

I also find it funny, how nowadays youtube is full of what are supposedly pro consummer gaming channels, that regularly point out lies from companies and developers, they can cry all they all day long for what are optional loot boxes in Overwatch. Hell, people draft laws, some countries even outlaw loot boxes... they can cry about Destiny 2, StarWars and so on...

I like the change, more pro consumer advocates and whatnot, but noone seems to remember D3 as what was probably the first major instance of a big company scamming it's player base in this decade.


Okay, so I’ve got 2 questions for you. If you really believe Blizzard scammed its players, then:

1) Why are you playing D3 and posting on their forums?

2) Why are you anywhere near Blizzard products?

If I felt the way you do about Blizzard I would not be playing their games, posting on their forums, or buying their products. Yet here you are. It doesn’t make much sense.
The last update on PvP was March 2014 when the Devs did a media interview.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/03/24/diablo-3-developer-gives-update-on-pvp

"We are still talking about it," Mayberry admitted. "The thing to clarify is it has nothing to do with a lack of desire to do it. It really has to do with taking this game, underneath which lies an engine of randomness. With PvP, having everything be random and unbalanced isn’t what people want. So we have to find a way to really exploit the way the engine works in a way that doesn’t create a terribly unequal playing field.

"It’s something we still talk about, I mean I don’t think a week goes by without us discussing it. But with Reaper, we wanted to build on what we’d achieved with Diablo 3 and taking the game to that next level.

"PvP, if we do it, we’d have to go all in. That’s why it’s not in Reaper. But we’ll continue to look at it and, if we find a good solution, we’ll start down that road. Right now it’s sitting there on hold."


Chances of them doing anything PvP related besides the current brawling, is very very slim.
I remember one of the early trailers showed the witch doctor casting locust swarm on his zombie dogs to buff them. Why does no one complain about that never being implemented?
06/10/2018 05:46 AMPosted by MissCheetah
The last update on PvP was March 2014 when the Devs did a media interview.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/03/24/diablo-3-developer-gives-update-on-pvp

"We are still talking about it," Mayberry admitted. "The thing to clarify is it has nothing to do with a lack of desire to do it. It really has to do with taking this game, underneath which lies an engine of randomness. With PvP, having everything be random and unbalanced isn’t what people want. So we have to find a way to really exploit the way the engine works in a way that doesn’t create a terribly unequal playing field.

"It’s something we still talk about, I mean I don’t think a week goes by without us discussing it. But with Reaper, we wanted to build on what we’d achieved with Diablo 3 and taking the game to that next level.

"PvP, if we do it, we’d have to go all in. That’s why it’s not in Reaper. But we’ll continue to look at it and, if we find a good solution, we’ll start down that road. Right now it’s sitting there on hold."


Chances of them doing anything PvP related besides the current brawling, is very very slim.


That only confirms what Noxifer and I talk about.
Blizzard does not deliver what it promises.
And more, 4 years ago do not give news about the product, is not informing us officially.

If people do not care about this as long as they like the final result, they do not call for scams if they can spend hours in the game, that's a shame.
06/10/2018 06:09 AMPosted by Mafic
I remember one of the early trailers showed the witch doctor casting locust swarm on his zombie dogs to buff them. Why does no one complain about that never being implemented?


A ridiculous comparison, congratulations.
06/10/2018 05:43 AMPosted by Orrion
06/09/2018 09:09 PMPosted by Noxifer
I am gonna post info and refresh your memories:

Prior and at release of Diablo III, this is what was advertised:
http://i.imgur.com/obbDHOx.jpg?1

Blizzard promised PvP Arenas as "more formalized play-space designed exclusively for PvP combat" along with a Matchmaking system. You even get to see a picture which displays arena and a scoreboard.

Two months prior to the release, in a PvP update Blizzard said, that the PvP will be delayed and released post launch:
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/blog/4574895/diablo-iii-pvp-update-3-9-2012

A week before the release of Diablo III Blizzard released this trailer:
https://youtu.be/Lbr315gazdY?t=171

The trailer advertises "Fierce Player Vs Player Gladiatorial arenas" to be implemented post launch. This feature was NEVER implemented.

Right after the release of the game Jay Wilson mentioned in the very first Game Design Update, that they are "going full steam ahead on the PvP patch" in order to trick as many players interested in PvP into buying the game. That PvP was NEVER implemented.
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/blog/6018173/game-design-update-5-28-2012

Then later in the "Diablo III Developer "AMAA" Transcript", Jay was asked how happy he was with the progress done with PvP. He said, he was very happy, giving the impression that things are going good:
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/blog/6317360/6317360#pvp

Liquid5n0w: How happy are you with the progress on the PvP 1.1 patch? Are things looking good?

Jay Wilson: PVP is pretty fun, so very happy.

That PvP was NEVER implemented.

Then seven months after the release, seven months after Blizzard already took our money, Jay Wilson said in a new PvP Update, that they (Blizzard) don't find Team DeathMatch appropriate for Diablo III and that they (the developers) "are are going back to the drawing board on a new replacement for Team Deathmatch, something that feels more appropriate for Diablo III" and that "it'll be a free addition to the game":
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/blog/8163085/diablo-iii-pvp-update-12-27-2012
This promised "replacement" was NEVER implemented.

Also in "Ask the Devs" Round 1: Patch 1.0.7 - Answers, Kevin Martens, Lead Designer specified, that Brawling is Not a replacement for Team Deathmatch or any other types of more complex PvP modes. :
https://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/7895009644#2
With the above Kevin Martens basically suggested, that they are working on PvP modes in order to provide us with replacement for the missing PvP Arenas/Team Deathmatch.
However, no other PvP mode but Brawling (which as specified above is Not the replacement) was ever implemented, let alone a complex one.

In September 2013 , Blizzard retroactively edited the trailer on the official site for the game, and cut the parts about PvP and Auction House.

Later both the Gold Auction House and the Real Money Auction House were removed. Blizzard claimed, that they did it, because the players wanted it this way, but there are indications, that this is not the real reason:

Diablo 3 - Why the Auction House got Removed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvuVXtMLR4Q

I find it interesting how 4-5 years ago nobody cared, that Blizzard scammed the Diablo 3 player base out of advertised features. They basically pulled a bait & switch and pretty much nobody cared.
Few of the people in the gaming community, that were somewhat pro consummer were willing to absolutely destroy the reputation of some little inddie companies, pointing out every little issue about games, that everyone with a brain expected to be crappy and buying them would be more of a charity rather than buying a proper product;
yet when it came to Blizzard Entertainment and their full price AAA game, that basically failed to deliver advertised features and outright REMOVED advertised features, nobody dared to open his mouth, let alone take further action.

I also find it funny, how nowadays youtube is full of what are supposedly pro consummer gaming channels, that regularly point out lies from companies and developers, they can cry all they all day long for what are optional loot boxes in Overwatch. Hell, people draft laws, some countries even outlaw loot boxes... they can cry about Destiny 2, StarWars and so on...

I like the change, more pro consumer advocates and whatnot, but noone seems to remember D3 as what was probably the first major instance of a big company scamming it's player base in this decade.


Okay, so I’ve got 2 questions for you. If you really believe Blizzard scammed its players, then:

1) Why are you playing D3 and posting on their forums?

2) Why are you anywhere near Blizzard products?

If I felt the way you do about Blizzard I would not be playing their games, posting on their forums, or buying their products. Yet here you are. It doesn’t make much sense.


Because he is not you.
I answer that question because we all have the right to have the promised PVP update. All of us, people who like or dislike the game as it currently is.
1. Plans can change. Diablo 3 is no different in this regard than any game. If for example the devs deem the PvP will affect too much on the other aspects of the game, they'll rather either scrap it or do a very minimalistic implementation.
2. Very, very few people care about PvP.

Why waste time and resources to add a feature which could do more harm than good and would attract very little attention from players?
06/10/2018 09:36 AMPosted by Kirottu
1. Plans can change. Diablo 3 is no different in this regard than any game. If for example the devs deem the PvP will affect too much on the other aspects of the game, they'll rather either scrap it or do a very minimalistic implementation.
2. Very, very few people care about PvP.

Why waste time and resources to add a feature which could do more harm than good and would attract very little attention from players?


Because it was promised and many people bought the game ALSO for this reason.

They may have changed plans, and this is not always bad, but they have an obligation to deploy this system, they can not wait for years and pretend they have not promised
06/10/2018 09:36 AMPosted by Kirottu
Why waste time and resources to add a feature which could do more harm than good and would attract very little attention from players?
Because they made billions of dollars on a game that advertised PvP. Its a long running franchise with a long-time devoted base - a reputation one would think Blizzard would have an interest in maintaining.
06/10/2018 09:52 AMPosted by UngivenFame
06/10/2018 09:36 AMPosted by Kirottu
Why waste time and resources to add a feature which could do more harm than good and would attract very little attention from players?
Because they made billions of dollars on a game that advertised PvP. Its a long running franchise with a long-time devoted base - a reputation one would think Blizzard would have an interest in maintaining.


I fully agree.
We imagined they wanted to keep their reputation, but that's not all! They induced us to buy the game ALSO by the pvp system! And not that pathetic brawling system they offered!
This is a fraud!
Even if you enjoy how the game is, it's still fraud!
Were they specific when they promised PvP? Meaning did they specify exactly what features the PvP would have?

The thing is, they did deliver on their promise to add PvP. D3 does have PvP. Obviously it's not what people expected. But they did not lie in the advertising, at least not on this subject.
I remember reading something similiar on here a while back ago, and this one comment stuck with me because it basically killed my hopes of pvp. Someone mentioned if you had Wrath of the lich king that on the box it promised aerial mounted pvp and that xpac came and went and never got it.

tl;dr blizzard sometimes promises stuff that does not make it to the game.
06/10/2018 10:17 AMPosted by Kirottu
Were they specific when they promised PvP? Meaning did they specify exactly what features the PvP would have?

The thing is, they did deliver on their promise to add PvP. D3 does have PvP. Obviously it's not what people expected. But they did not lie in the advertising, at least not on this subject.


They made it clear that brawling is not substitute for the promised pvp system.
And there are videos, interviews, updates, various sources stating that the player vs player system was being developed and would be delivered as promised!
But it was never implemented!

Read this post:

06/09/2018 09:09 PMPosted by Noxifer
I am gonna post info and refresh your memories:

Prior and at release of Diablo III, this is what was advertised:
http://i.imgur.com/obbDHOx.jpg?1

Blizzard promised PvP Arenas as "more formalized play-space designed exclusively for PvP combat" along with a Matchmaking system. You even get to see a picture which displays arena and a scoreboard.

Two months prior to the release, in a PvP update Blizzard said, that the PvP will be delayed and released post launch:
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/blog/4574895/diablo-iii-pvp-update-3-9-2012

A week before the release of Diablo III Blizzard released this trailer:
https://youtu.be/Lbr315gazdY?t=171

The trailer advertises "Fierce Player Vs Player Gladiatorial arenas" to be implemented post launch. This feature was NEVER implemented.

Right after the release of the game Jay Wilson mentioned in the very first Game Design Update, that they are "going full steam ahead on the PvP patch" in order to trick as many players interested in PvP into buying the game. That PvP was NEVER implemented.
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/blog/6018173/game-design-update-5-28-2012

Then later in the "Diablo III Developer "AMAA" Transcript", Jay was asked how happy he was with the progress done with PvP. He said, he was very happy, giving the impression that things are going good:
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/blog/6317360/6317360#pvp

Liquid5n0w: How happy are you with the progress on the PvP 1.1 patch? Are things looking good?

Jay Wilson: PVP is pretty fun, so very happy.

That PvP was NEVER implemented.

Then seven months after the release, seven months after Blizzard already took our money, Jay Wilson said in a new PvP Update, that they (Blizzard) don't find Team DeathMatch appropriate for Diablo III and that they (the developers) "are are going back to the drawing board on a new replacement for Team Deathmatch, something that feels more appropriate for Diablo III" and that "it'll be a free addition to the game":
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/blog/8163085/diablo-iii-pvp-update-12-27-2012
This promised "replacement" was NEVER implemented.

Also in "Ask the Devs" Round 1: Patch 1.0.7 - Answers, Kevin Martens, Lead Designer specified, that Brawling is Not a replacement for Team Deathmatch or any other types of more complex PvP modes. :
https://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/7895009644#2
With the above Kevin Martens basically suggested, that they are working on PvP modes in order to provide us with replacement for the missing PvP Arenas/Team Deathmatch.
However, no other PvP mode but Brawling (which as specified above is Not the replacement) was ever implemented, let alone a complex one.

In September 2013 , Blizzard retroactively edited the trailer on the official site for the game, and cut the parts about PvP and Auction House.

Later both the Gold Auction House and the Real Money Auction House were removed. Blizzard claimed, that they did it, because the players wanted it this way, but there are indications, that this is not the real reason:

Diablo 3 - Why the Auction House got Removed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvuVXtMLR4Q

I find it interesting how 4-5 years ago nobody cared, that Blizzard scammed the Diablo 3 player base out of advertised features. They basically pulled a bait & switch and pretty much nobody cared.
Few of the people in the gaming community, that were somewhat pro consummer were willing to absolutely destroy the reputation of some little inddie companies, pointing out every little issue about games, that everyone with a brain expected to be crappy and buying them would be more of a charity rather than buying a proper product;
yet when it came to Blizzard Entertainment and their full price AAA game, that basically failed to deliver advertised features and outright REMOVED advertised features, nobody dared to open his mouth, let alone take further action.

I also find it funny, how nowadays youtube is full of what are supposedly pro consummer gaming channels, that regularly point out lies from companies and developers, they can cry all they all day long for what are optional loot boxes in Overwatch. Hell, people draft laws, some countries even outlaw loot boxes... they can cry about Destiny 2, StarWars and so on...

I like the change, more pro consumer advocates and whatnot, but noone seems to remember D3 as what was probably the first major instance of a big company scamming it's player base in this decade.


And there is more information on that.
06/10/2018 09:20 AMPosted by Pégaso
06/10/2018 05:43 AMPosted by Orrion
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Okay, so I’ve got 2 questions for you. If you really believe Blizzard scammed its players, then:

1) Why are you playing D3 and posting on their forums?

2) Why are you anywhere near Blizzard products?

If I felt the way you do about Blizzard I would not be playing their games, posting on their forums, or buying their products. Yet here you are. It doesn’t make much sense.


Because he is not you.
I answer that question because we all have the right to have the promised PVP update. All of us, people who like or dislike the game as it currently is.


He’s not me? So.. you and he like getting ripped off? Is that what I should take away from it?

Can I sell you some bridges that I haven’t built yet?

You don’t have the right to that.

The only thing you have the right to do is play on Blizzard servers because you bought the game and agreed to the EULA - which doesn’t mention PvP at all and gives Blizzard the right to do whatever they want (or don’t want) to the game.
06/10/2018 10:21 AMPosted by Bloo
I remember reading something similiar on here a while back ago, and this one comment stuck with me because it basically killed my hopes of pvp. Someone mentioned if you had Wrath of the lich king that on the box it promised aerial mounted pvp and that xpac came and went and never got it.

tl;dr blizzard sometimes promises stuff that does not make it to the game.


Yes.
When it's small details I do not care.
But when it's a rewards system, when it's something that completely changes the gaming experience, when they sell the product using that system to get money, then I care.
They have to fix this, it's a shame after almost 10 years and we're still waiting.
Everyone should care, it's something that would only enrich the game that many people already enjoy.
06/10/2018 10:30 AMPosted by Orrion
06/10/2018 09:20 AMPosted by Pégaso
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Because he is not you.
I answer that question because we all have the right to have the promised PVP update. All of us, people who like or dislike the game as it currently is.


He’s not me? So.. you and he like getting ripped off? Is that what I should take away from it?

Can I sell you some bridges that I haven’t built yet?

You don’t have the right to that.

The only thing you have the right to do is play on Blizzard servers because you bought the game and agreed to the EULA - which doesn’t mention PvP at all and gives Blizzard the right to do whatever they want (or don’t want) to the game.


It's the kind of person who encourages the blizzard not to keep its promises.
Congratulations for being so, but I am not, I will complain and demand something that belongs to me, the update with pvp system.
06/10/2018 09:36 AMPosted by Kirottu
2. Very, very few people care about PvP.


In the current game, yes most players don't care about PvP. D2 has always had a good sized PvP base. When D3 was released, the proposed PvP was a big selling point to a lot of players. After the dev's failed to deliver on Team Death Match, pretty much all those players left D3.

06/10/2018 10:17 AMPosted by Kirottu
The thing is, they did deliver on their promise to add PvP. D3 does have PvP. Obviously it's not what people expected. But they did not lie in the advertising, at least not on this subject.


Legally, I am sure they delivered on the bare bones of adding PVP. Morally, they completely did not live up to expectations. Watch the Team Death Match video and tell me that brawling is a close representation of that. There was a lot of pre-orders and purchases made of the videos. The dev's repeatedly said PVP is in the works. When they couldn't deliver on what they intended, they dropped brawling to cover their tails. By then, most players had played enough where they weren't going to get a refund or moved on.

I am not a PVP guy, but they did get big time hosed.

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