Path of Exile is better game

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I've tried PoE several times, and I nearly fall asleep at the wheel each and every time. The environments and textures look decent enough, but there's nothing engaging from a personal standpoint. I'd be hard-pressed to even call it the same thing as D3 or D2. They're all different beasts of a similar genre and I prefer to stick to the series that I grew up with.

I get a lot of random !@#$ from some of my peers for not making the move over to PoE with them and I couldn't give less of a crap. Any game that I literally fall asleep while running through the first three acts is obviously not engaging enough. (Regardless of whether or not it's tough.)

To the OP, if you like it better, good for you. Go brag about it on the PoE forums and sing the praises with other like-minded individuals.


can you even compare D2 nad D3 as the same genere games?

Don't care about PoE at all, but your statement made me lol pretty hard
01/13/2019 10:11 AMPosted by Kendo
I've tried PoE several times, and I nearly fall asleep at the wheel each and every time. The environments and textures look decent enough, but there's nothing engaging from a personal standpoint. I'd be hard-pressed to even call it the same thing as D3 or D2. They're all different beasts of a similar genre and I prefer to stick to the series that I grew up with.

I get a lot of random !@#$ from some of my peers for not making the move over to PoE with them and I couldn't give less of a crap. Any game that I literally fall asleep while running through the first three acts is obviously not engaging enough. (Regardless of whether or not it's tough.)

To the OP, if you like it better, good for you. Go brag about it on the PoE forums and sing the praises with other like-minded individuals.


can you even compare D2 nad D3 as the same genere games?

Don't care about PoE at all, but your statement made me lol pretty hard


They're both RPG games. i fail to see what made you lol pretty hard.
PeE is free done game directed for micro transaction: graphics looks like mix of professional and amateur job combined together. Most mechanics in game is done very badly. This game needs next 5 years developing.
Cant stand the poor low budget animations of POE, only reason i stay with D3
Its ok. Best of all it is not dead. Leagues actually add something. D3 is dead as a rock. If they had managed their game D3 could have been a fine competitor to POE.
01/13/2019 03:01 PMPosted by Bubba
Its ok. Best of all it is not dead. Leagues actually add something. D3 is dead as a rock. If they had managed their game D3 could have been a fine competitor to POE.


Diablo is active for the first 2-3 weeks of any new season. It has no staying-power though. By week four only the extremely dedicated are left.
01/13/2019 03:04 PMPosted by Kithelle
01/13/2019 03:01 PMPosted by Bubba
Its ok. Best of all it is not dead. Leagues actually add something. D3 is dead as a rock. If they had managed their game D3 could have been a fine competitor to POE.


Diablo is active for the first 2-3 weeks of any new season. It has no staying-power though. By week four only the extremely dedicated are left.


This is because you can complete the seasonal journey in under maybe 24 hours of complete solo play post 70. Then there is nothing to do past the leaderboards which are full of cheats and bots
Yes it is in term of complexity, build diversity, loot/trade, size, endgame and long term motivation.

But I can't wait for the new Diablo 3 season bcs its a awesome game too.

D3 is the perfect H&S RPG after a hard day at work simply to relax, open a beer, go brain AFK and slay monsters/hunt for loot.

Also D3 is better if you want to play with friends, bcs in POE its not rly efficient to play with others.
Beside that I like the control, the graphics, the competition aspect (G-Rift rankings) and the classes in D3 a bit more....and ofc as a Diablo Veteran (surely over 10k hours total in D1, 2 & 3) theres a lot of nostalgia.

All in all both are great games and depend my mood I play the one or the other....no need to bash either of them. ;)
01/13/2019 03:04 PMPosted by Kithelle
01/13/2019 03:01 PMPosted by Bubba
Its ok. Best of all it is not dead. Leagues actually add something. D3 is dead as a rock. If they had managed their game D3 could have been a fine competitor to POE.


Diablo is active for the first 2-3 weeks of any new season. It has no staying-power though. By week four only the extremely dedicated are left.


So many have left now. But by "dead" I mean a total lack of content. No new items or builds and all that snazz that POE gets. Its just the same every season. I unlock the cosmetic and then stop.
01/12/2019 11:26 PMPosted by TaintedFate
i thought the same too, i played poe for a long time, killed shaper, bough supporter packs and i thought i will never come back to diablo. but here i am. your statement can get some reaction from non-poe public or for those who didnt figure out in that game.

- if you are not paying real money you cant trade (you need to buy premium stash tabs)
- if you are not paying real money your character will look like garbage because there is no interest for developers to make your default char look good, they want to sell you extremely overpriced microtransactions
- real money trade, you can buy all orbs on selling sites and of course you cant even talk about any "competition" with this kind of conditions
- trading process itself is extremely unconvinient and you HAVE to trade if you want faster progress. whispering to tons of people that will never answer, then inviting to party, then teleporting to hidout, doing trade, drop party, teleport back, and all this !@#$ just to obtain one map. for betrayal league masters spawn on random maps and you HAVE to trade to buy those maps that you dont have but masters spawned on them.
- ssf mode is !@#$ed up because orbs and uniques drop rates are not adjusted for player's comfort, so you cant get the build you want because you will lack build-defining unique etc.
- %^-*ton of bots farming currency and that makes your playtime less valuable
- crafting in trade leagues is very rare thing, usually its better to buy a gear from another player than craft it yourself
- online players count one month after the start of any league it 20-25k (2 months into league - online is 14k players), for betrayal, ok, its 30k now.
- you need to do all 10 act storyline with skill-quests again on EVERY character, you need to do all labyrinth again on EVERY character. doing storyline ten times in a row feels horrible, lab itself is trash content according to thousands of poe players who rage on the forums about that content. you NEED to do pantheons. all this just to make your char "ready to play properly".
- flasks. you NEED to have one or two quicksilver flask mandatory and you NEED to press it every 5-6 seconds because otherwise you will move super SLOW because game designers have no idea at what speed char should be moving so this would be comfortable for player.
- you need to LMB on every scroll of wisdom, orb, portal scroll, identify every single item, lots of useless micromanagement
- build diversity in betreyal is better, but in previous leagues 30%-40% of all playerbase played THREE f**** builds (blade vortex, ele hit, molten strike), in the past (in incursion) 50% of playerbase played with TWO skills (bv, arc), thats all what you need to know about the build diversity, and, of course, because you cant adjust difficulty, all your smart "diverse" off-meta builds will be killed by overtuned endgame bosses or you will have to spend s.t tons of currency to make them average at best
- endgame bosses are gated behind RNG (uber elder) or extreme RNG. streamer Mathil played whole delve league leveling 20+ chars to 90+ levels, but still didnt see endgame boss of league content, nuff said.
- there is no competition and there is no any meaningful purpose of your existence there. in d3 you do highest rift, you are good, in poe you do obnoxious challanges nobody cares about that always involve tedius rng elements.
- xp penalty so you cant level your "diverse, deep" build to really high levels because even if your defense layers are good, you will get killed and that will take weeks of grinding to get back.

- graphics and engine are absolute outdated unoptimized trash
- animations and combat are clunky, combat is schematical one-tap all screen clear
- you cant even select the gender of your hero or other visual options

path of exile is extremely overrated, infested by tons of rudimental, outdated elements, ppl play it because there is no alternative. if d3 wakes up and just starts with copying some of its legue content, that game will die fast.


This should be chiseled in stone and stickied.

+1
01/12/2019 11:26 PMPosted by TaintedFate
i thought the same too, i played poe for a long time, killed shaper, bough supporter packs and i thought i will never come back to diablo. but here i am. your statement can get some reaction from non-poe public or for those who didnt figure out in that game.

- if you are not paying real money you cant trade (you need to buy premium stash tabs)
- if you are not paying real money your character will look like garbage because there is no interest for developers to make your default char look good, they want to sell you extremely overpriced microtransactions
- real money trade, you can buy all orbs on selling sites and of course you cant even talk about any "competition" with this kind of conditions
- trading process itself is extremely unconvinient and you HAVE to trade if you want faster progress. whispering to tons of people that will never answer, then inviting to party, then teleporting to hidout, doing trade, drop party, teleport back, and all this !@#$ just to obtain one map. for betrayal league masters spawn on random maps and you HAVE to trade to buy those maps that you dont have but masters spawned on them.
- ssf mode is !@#$ed up because orbs and uniques drop rates are not adjusted for player's comfort, so you cant get the build you want because you will lack build-defining unique etc.
- %^-*ton of bots farming currency and that makes your playtime less valuable
- crafting in trade leagues is very rare thing, usually its better to buy a gear from another player than craft it yourself
- online players count one month after the start of any league it 20-25k (2 months into league - online is 14k players), for betrayal, ok, its 30k now.
- you need to do all 10 act storyline with skill-quests again on EVERY character, you need to do all labyrinth again on EVERY character. doing storyline ten times in a row feels horrible, lab itself is trash content according to thousands of poe players who rage on the forums about that content. you NEED to do pantheons. all this just to make your char "ready to play properly".
- flasks. you NEED to have one or two quicksilver flask mandatory and you NEED to press it every 5-6 seconds because otherwise you will move super SLOW because game designers have no idea at what speed char should be moving so this would be comfortable for player.
- you need to LMB on every scroll of wisdom, orb, portal scroll, identify every single item, lots of useless micromanagement
- build diversity in betreyal is better, but in previous leagues 30%-40% of all playerbase played THREE f**** builds (blade vortex, ele hit, molten strike), in the past (in incursion) 50% of playerbase played with TWO skills (bv, arc), thats all what you need to know about the build diversity, and, of course, because you cant adjust difficulty, all your smart "diverse" off-meta builds will be killed by overtuned endgame bosses or you will have to spend s.t tons of currency to make them average at best
- endgame bosses are gated behind RNG (uber elder) or extreme RNG. streamer Mathil played whole delve league leveling 20+ chars to 90+ levels, but still didnt see endgame boss of league content, nuff said.
- there is no competition and there is no any meaningful purpose of your existence there. in d3 you do highest rift, you are good, in poe you do obnoxious challanges nobody cares about that always involve tedius rng elements.
- xp penalty so you cant level your "diverse, deep" build to really high levels because even if your defense layers are good, you will get killed and that will take weeks of grinding to get back.

- graphics and engine are absolute outdated unoptimized trash
- animations and combat are clunky, combat is schematical one-tap all screen clear
- you cant even select the gender of your hero or other visual options

path of exile is extremely overrated, infested by tons of rudimental, outdated elements, ppl play it because there is no alternative. if d3 wakes up and just starts with copying some of its legue content, that game will die fast.
Agree and notice how people that rave about POE never mention this crap they do. Yeah learn how to play POE means learn how to spend alot of money.
Poe is hard to learn and boring at begin because its very complex.


Yeah that's the reason why i stopped playing and uninstalled it. It is boring... Dull... Maybe if i actually put many hours on it and go through the tedious process of actually trying to learn it. Maybe i'll find it good. But seriously... its boring and i want to have fun.

Despite the negative flak and the issues it probably have to fix in the long run. D3 is the game which i come back from work, spend at least an hour farming and actually enjoy the game.

So what's your objective here? Are you trying to get people to jump ship? Do you feel special for managing to like PoE? Do you hate D3 soo much that you have to post this? People can play whatever they want, take your negative !@#$ back and give some credit to D3.

To me D3 is the better game, despite its flaws i'm pretty sure many people agree with me on this.
as much as I like POE, it's really nice to be able to pump out some tunes while playing diablo3 - something you can't do on a high level in POE character because you really rely on audio prompts
joey bada$$, capital steez and vince staples agree with me
01/12/2019 09:20 PMPosted by MeoTim
Poe is hard to learn and boring at begin because its very complex.


You just mentioned the reason why most of us don't want to play it.
01/14/2019 04:47 AMPosted by Lango
01/12/2019 09:20 PMPosted by MeoTim
Poe is hard to learn and boring at begin because its very complex.


You just mentioned the reason why most of us don't want to play it.


Exactly. Why would anyone play a game that starts off boring?
01/13/2019 03:01 PMPosted by Bubba
Its ok. Best of all it is not dead. Leagues actually add something. D3 is dead as a rock. If they had managed their game D3 could have been a fine competitor to POE.


Correction. If D3 managed their game, POE would be dead a long time ago.
01/12/2019 11:26 PMPosted by TaintedFate
if you are not paying real money you cant trade (you need to buy premium stash tabs)

You can trade. There are 3rd party tools like acquisition. I used acquisition for years before I bought a single premium stash tab. Sometimes it's even easier to trade using acquisition than in-game tabs (you can sort by price or search by various mods using acquisition, also you can price multiple items at once).
01/12/2019 11:26 PMPosted by TaintedFate
if you are not paying real money your character will look like garbage because there is no interest for developers to make your default char look good, they want to sell you extremely overpriced microtransactions

Well, what do you expect? Their game literally lives off those mtx. I'd rather have expensive cosmetics than pay to win stuff. Besides, not everything looks so bad in game. You can even get skin transfers for very cheap and build your own mtx with innate skins of other items.
01/12/2019 11:26 PMPosted by TaintedFate
real money trade, you can buy all orbs on selling sites and of course you cant even talk about any "competition" with this kind of conditions

Real money trading is also illegal and risky.
01/12/2019 11:26 PMPosted by TaintedFate
trading process itself is extremely unconvinient and you HAVE to trade if you want faster progress. whispering to tons of people that will never answer, then inviting to party, then teleporting to hidout, doing trade, drop party, teleport back, and all this !@#$ just to obtain one map. for betrayal league masters spawn on random maps and you HAVE to trade to buy those maps that you dont have but masters spawned on them.

This is the biggest problem the game has right now. Hopefully, they will address the trading mess soon.
01/12/2019 11:26 PMPosted by TaintedFate
ssf mode is !@#$ed up because orbs and uniques drop rates are not adjusted for player's comfort, so you cant get the build you want because you will lack build-defining unique etc.

They're not adjusted because you can migrate to trade league and that would mess up the economy. The mod is just a difficulty increase for those who don't want to trade and it also provides leaderboards.
01/12/2019 11:26 PMPosted by TaintedFate
%^-*ton of bots farming currency and that makes your playtime less valuable

Yep, can't argue with this one. Probably all games will have bots. This you totally fix, but can control to a certain extend.
01/12/2019 11:26 PMPosted by TaintedFate
crafting in trade leagues is very rare thing, usually its better to buy a gear from another player than craft it yourself

Far from truth. You need to know what to craft and how to craft. I made a lot of profit during all leagues I played in the past.
01/12/2019 11:26 PMPosted by TaintedFate
you need to do all 10 act storyline with skill-quests again on EVERY character, you need to do all labyrinth again on EVERY character. doing storyline ten times in a row feels horrible, lab itself is trash content according to thousands of poe players who rage on the forums about that content. you NEED to do pantheons. all this just to make your char "ready to play properly".

I can agree with this. I absolutely hate the lab. But the time spent on preparing your character is pretty small compared to how much you can play on it until you complete all challenges / level to 100 or something else.
01/12/2019 11:26 PMPosted by TaintedFate
flasks. you NEED to have one or two quicksilver flask mandatory and you NEED to press it every 5-6 seconds because otherwise you will move super SLOW because game designers have no idea at what speed char should be moving so this would be comfortable for player.

False again. The game is pretty balanced when it comes to movement speed. Sure, a quicksilver flask is mandatory due to how much movement speed it provides, but there are a lot of other items to increase your movement speed and movement skills as well.
01/12/2019 11:26 PMPosted by TaintedFate
you need to LMB on every scroll of wisdom, orb, portal scroll, identify every single item, lots of useless micromanagement

You trade time for currency. It's up to you to decide what is worth picking up and what is not. If you're picking portal scrolls at level 95 while you have a 100 exalt bank, you're doing it wrong.
01/12/2019 11:26 PMPosted by TaintedFate
build diversity in betreyal is better, but in previous leagues 30%-40% of all playerbase played THREE f**** builds (blade vortex, ele hit, molten strike), in the past (in incursion) 50% of playerbase played with TWO skills (bv, arc), thats all what you need to know about the build diversity, and, of course, because you cant adjust difficulty, all your smart "diverse" off-meta builds will be killed by overtuned endgame bosses or you will have to spend s.t tons of currency to make them average at best

While the first part is true, the second is not. Bosses can be tackled by a ton of builds. For example, I killed uber elder with my MAGIC FIND bow build. It's just that people prefer to play the 'meta' builds because they are sheep and have no critical thinking or simply can't bother to theorycraft build themselves for various reasons.
01/12/2019 11:26 PMPosted by TaintedFate
endgame bosses are gated behind RNG (uber elder) or extreme RNG. streamer Mathil played whole delve league leveling 20+ chars to 90+ levels, but still didnt see endgame boss of league content, nuff said.

Yea, league content is usually bull!@#$, but uber elder is extremely easily accessible. If you run a tier 1 map while you have it elder orbed on the atlas, the game will consider you are running tier 16 for the purpose of influence spawning and will spawn it near center of atlas. It takes like 10 minutes or less to spawn influence for uber elder, depending how fast you can run those low tier maps.
01/12/2019 11:26 PMPosted by TaintedFate
there is no competition and there is no any meaningful purpose of your existence there. in d3 you do highest rift, you are good, in poe you do obnoxious challanges nobody cares about that always involve tedius rng elements.

No competition? Have you seen how hard do people hard for the first level 100 in a new league? The second player to 100 was like 10% exp away from level 100. It was actually very competitive this league due to pure breachstones.
01/12/2019 11:26 PMPosted by TaintedFate
xp penalty so you cant level your "diverse, deep" build to really high levels because even if your defense layers are good, you will get killed and that will take weeks of grinding to get back.

Then your layers of defense aren't good enough. Rethink your build. This game is challenging. If there wasn't any penalty for death, everyone would build glass cannons and race to 100. Now THAT'S boring.
01/12/2019 11:26 PMPosted by TaintedFate
graphics and engine are absolute outdated unoptimized trash

Path of exile computes significantly more calculations than diablo 3. It is limited by server connection to client, not by engine. If you have no idea about technical stuff, don't talk about it.
Besides, they're going to make further improvements to the engine next expansions with a possible model rework.
01/12/2019 11:26 PMPosted by TaintedFate
animations and combat are clunky, combat is schematical one-tap all screen clear

Read above. Also, combat is not always all screen clear. There are a lot of monsters in the game that don't simple die in 1 tap, unless you have mirror gear.
01/12/2019 11:26 PMPosted by TaintedFate
you cant even select the gender of your hero or other visual options

Each character has his own story. Selecting gender would break their story in some cases. Why do you need to select gender? This seems like one of the lamest complaints I hear regarding game choices. You want to see female %^- or something? Get a girlfriend?
01/12/2019 11:26 PMPosted by TaintedFate
path of exile is extremely overrated, infested by tons of rudimental, outdated elements, ppl play it because there is no alternative.

Yea right. There is torchlight, grim dawn, diablo 3, lost ark, others as well. But people still decide to play poe. The problem is with you mate.
if d3 wakes up and just starts with copying some of its league content, that game will die fast.

No, it won't. Your game is rotten to its core. Itemization is absolutely abysmal. Builds are dictated by sets. Leaderboards are dictated by greater rift rng. Greater rift is the only real endgame content.
Diablo 3 can't possibly be fixed just by adding content on top of it. It would be like sprinkling sugar on top of a pile of *!@#. It's just really bad and numbers tell the truth.
01/12/2019 11:26 PMPosted by TaintedFate
- if you are not paying real money


You Can't play D3 either, so what's your point?

You can trade on the POE forum for FREE, so wrong again.

But keep pushing the pay to play aspect of POE, it's amusing.

Both games are awesome, I got bored with D3.
After I run through all 21 characters in POE and their sub classes, I'll be back for some D4! BUT POE 4.0 will be out by then so tick tock Blizzardvision
01/17/2019 08:22 AMPosted by theNix
so tick tock Blizzardvision


Do you think they care about one player? Hell, do you think they care about the entire playerbase of path of exile?
Truth be told, they don't give a flying $#@% about those players. They have a ton of players on their other games. Just because diablo 3 is doing badly, doesn't mean they'll go bankrupt or something. In fact, they have an entirely different target market and they're doing extremely well there (casuals).
When it comes to AAA games, catering casuals will ALWAYS be more profitable, so if you care at all about self respect and good games, just stop playing the piles of !@#$ that triple A developers keep pulling out and start playing decent games and support indie developers or developers of great games. Because they don't care about you.
01/18/2019 04:44 AMPosted by Celestialray
When it comes to AAA games, catering casuals will ALWAYS be more profitable, so if you care at all about self respect and good games, just stop playing the piles of !@#$ that triple A developers keep pulling out and start playing decent games and support indie developers or developers of great games. Because they don't care about you.

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Sounds great until you realize that even small gaming companies are after your money and hoping to strike it big someday. Look at GGG for a great example of how they sold Tencent the controlling interest in PoE. Quite a few independent studios have sold their games to larger gaming companies over the years.

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