LoN & Weapon Bleed

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Does the 400% Bleed on weapons get multiplied by LoN? D3planner doesn't give an account for Weapon Bleed. Can't even tell if they stack for DW. I'm looking to see if WW Barb can't have an other LoN option.

:/
This I would like to know as well.
i'm guessing it is but it's still at least a 1000 times to weak to even build a fun build -.-
Bleed from weapon affix is increased by the LoN multiplier yes. However the damage is so low that it isn't considered for the D3planner.

Also bleed stacks additively with the Pain Enhancer gem. If PE does 2500% and you have 400% bleed from affixes, it becomes 2900%. It also works the other way, if you proc the bleed from the affix it will count as a bleeding enemy in terms of Blood Frenzy from the rank 25 power of Pain Enhancer.
That's interesting. I have something to test now. I'm going to test if (w/Frenzy) if Wep Bleed and PE override each other or can be applied simultaneously. PE has a duration of three seconds and is proced by CHC, Wep Bleed has x% amount of chance to proc with a duration of 5 second. If simultaneously and with the following applied:

04/06/2019 12:23 PMPosted by KiWeN
Also bleed stacks additively with the Pain Enhancer gem. If PE does 2500% and you have 400% bleed from affixes, it becomes 2900%. It also works the other way, if you proc the bleed from the affix it will count as a bleeding enemy in terms of Blood Frenzy from the rank 25 power of Pain Enhancer.


Then this could have some serious potential.
04/06/2019 12:23 PMPosted by KiWeN
Bleed from weapon affix is increased by the LoN multiplier yes. However the damage is so low that it isn't considered for the D3planner.

Also bleed stacks additively with the Pain Enhancer gem. If PE does 2500% and you have 400% bleed from affixes, it becomes 2900%. It also works the other way, if you proc the bleed from the affix it will count as a bleeding enemy in terms of Blood Frenzy from the rank 25 power of Pain Enhancer.


Let me see if I have this straight:

97.5*400% Wep Bleed = 39,000%

39,000 Wep Bleed + 8,000 PE = 47,000

PE new value is 47,000% Bleed over 3 sec, including 39,000% Wep Bleed over 5 sec.

Is this correct?
Bleed is garbage through and through. Don't bother.
05/08/2019 09:56 AMPosted by DieHarder
04/06/2019 12:23 PMPosted by KiWeN
Bleed from weapon affix is increased by the LoN multiplier yes. However the damage is so low that it isn't considered for the D3planner.

Also bleed stacks additively with the Pain Enhancer gem. If PE does 2500% and you have 400% bleed from affixes, it becomes 2900%. It also works the other way, if you proc the bleed from the affix it will count as a bleeding enemy in terms of Blood Frenzy from the rank 25 power of Pain Enhancer.


Let me see if I have this straight:

97.5*400% Wep Bleed = 39,000%

39,000 Wep Bleed + 8,000 PE = 47,000

PE new value is 47,000% Bleed over 3 sec, including 39,000% Wep Bleed over 5 sec.

Is this correct?

Not quite.

First of the 8000% of PE is added on the 400% of bleed, and also other sources of bleed. But since the duration is different you have to work out each second. So 8000% over 3 seconds is 2666% each second and the 400% becomes 50%. So total is 2717% each second.

The 9750% of LoN translates to 98.5x.

So in the end it amounts to 98.5 x 2717% Weapon Damage or 267,624% each second.

So with about 2 million sheet damage you would reach 5.3B per second. As damage ticks every half second for Bleed, you can divide by 2 and each tick (that is the number that pops up) would be around 2.65B.

Do note that Attack speed doesn't affect bleed damage in any way other than how often you can apply it.
Yeah, those numbers aren't good.

Thx for the correction and insight.
05/08/2019 11:41 AMPosted by KiWeN
would be around 2.65B.


05/08/2019 11:58 AMPosted by DieHarder
Yeah, those numbers aren't good


hahaha. Diablo3 2.6 people.
04/06/2019 05:18 AMPosted by DieHarder
Does the 400% Bleed on weapons get multiplied by LoN? D3planner doesn't give an account for Weapon Bleed. Can't even tell if they stack for DW. I'm looking to see if WW Barb can't have an other LoN option.

:/


No, it only applies to player skill damage, not skills or stats attached to weapons.
Imagine if it did or even half of it's multipliers. We would have amazing build diversity. Shard of Hate would be great again.
Do any of the legendary gems work with bleed, such as Trapped, Stricken, or Zei's?
05/08/2019 10:58 PMPosted by Apple
Do any of the legendary gems work with bleed, such as Trapped, Stricken, or Zei's?

They do work, but again it's a case where it doesn't extend far enough.

All general multipliers do work, there's just not enough to make anything matter.
Bleed is the most useless property in the game. 400% weapon damage over 5 seconds? That's 80% Weapon Damage per second. That's worse than the worst Demon Hunter Companion, and they are useless!

And there is usually only a 35.x% chance on hit to get it.

In order for this property to be any good, it would have to do 10 or 30 times the DPS. At least Bleed for 12000% WD over 5 seconds would give me 2400% WDPS on proc.

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