Looks like 2.6.5 balance is broken again.

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Wiz has already beat 138, with chantodo build. In CN server.

When wiz break GR 140+ with ez chantodo build, dominate solo, group, wd, dh, monk, barb etc are still around 132.

Are these buff numbers calculated? How can blz balance this game?

I have a complicated feeling now.
05/14/2019 10:48 PMPosted by JustinFan
Wiz has already beat 138, with chantodo build.

This sort of thing is why Crusaders wondered why Blessed Shield got hit with a nerf.
Wiz still is big problem and many people wait to clarify this situation.
last i looked wiz was 132 like a hour ago. Necros at 138. I think bless shield should of only been a 10% nerf now it sucks again. Not worth playin when theres other build getting lot higher gr
05/15/2019 01:09 AMPosted by DarkBlizzard
Wiz still is big problem and many people wait to clarify this situation.


I really hope if there is a hotfix or some kind of balance fix/change it will be done before S17 starts on friday..
I'm sick of power creep killing the game. But they won't learn. Manual buffs don't work. You can't balance properly with 2 big adjustments to the scales especially when the scales balance 20 different things all at once. It's stupidity to even conceive the possibility of balancing like that.

That's like having twenty bamboo sticks and having weights on all the ends, and using like a Kilogram weights to try and balance it. "2kg here. Christ that was too heavy. Let's take a kg off. Now it's not heavy enough! Well close enough."

Balances can only work if they are incremental over time bringing all builds up to very close to the top build. It's how any normal person with a brain would try to balance some scales.

But people will down vote this because they LOVE the OP wiz now! "Oh yeah I'm leaving crusaders in the dust! LOL!"

People just don't like common sense. And as if blizzard would listen to me. After all, I don't have 9k paragon thanks to my all primal 150 augment wizard gear! That's so much more important than common sense.
if you open your post with all capital latters and say there is a huge bug it has the probability of being read ;) it was just too obvious so that blizz didnt see it before. what a pity.
Where do you see this 138 clear? All i see is 134 :)
wiz and necro both are crazy strong compared to the rest...

like monk and barb have 0 changes for next season and are far behind - when you look at the clears barb is in front of monk(and others) but for barb you need to use broken mechanics like wallcharging without he is the weakest class by far -.-
I’m just happy there is no meteor involved.
they haven't cared about barb since release
Yet i see plenty barbs monks dhs playing each season alot more then wizzs .
maybe not all people are worried about highest clear build but play what they like
05/15/2019 05:30 AMPosted by hawkkiwi
Yet i see plenty barbs monks dhs playing each season alot more then wizzs .
maybe not all people are worried about highest clear build but play what they like

Well, that's just silly.
At least they tried to re-up some builds...

No, really, don't get any hope guys. Game is in maintenance state, they won't bother about doing a big balacing patch.
The conditions about this patch were tremendous. Lack of communication about PTR, poor new legendaries re-up...

For some real balance, tons of work should be done. Re-up (a lot) of legendaries, skills and runes, passives... and synergies between legendaries. I don't think they will pay much interest about this, game is in maintenance mode, and that's all.
05/15/2019 12:39 AMPosted by Meteorblade
05/14/2019 10:48 PMPosted by JustinFan
Wiz has already beat 138, with chantodo build.

This sort of thing is why Crusaders wondered why Blessed Shield got hit with a nerf.
I need tech help: how do I like this comment 150 times?
I'm in agreement. The cross class power gap is too big. Last night I could barely clear GR120 with a partially augmented N6 rapid fire build. This matches the power of DH non-season tier-2 builds, (M6 Multishot, N6 FoK, U6 Multishot Fire, UE6 Grenades, etc).

With the seasonal 17 buff, LoN Rapid Fire will top off at GR127-130, while others approach GR 135-138+.

What's troubling is that all of this data was present on PTR, feedback was given, yet the devs allowed Chantodo to slide with very high average clears, while also deciding to nerf Blessed Shield and leaving Rapid Fire and others in a weaker state. Barbs / Monks ending up with nothing new is a whole separate issue.

Their current balance policy must be, upgrade builds to not exceed the power of a classes' strongest build. This is fine for the solo class boards, but this is a multiplayer game and 8GRs is very noticeable in group play, especially when those two classes are already the #1 specialist trash clearers and RGKs.

Every PTR is an opportunity to make the game better, I feel we did well on QoL, and mediocre on long term class balance.

Next PTR, I recommend they focus entirely on power balance and legendary item upgrades. Make S16 and S17 buffs permanent, openly declare the target GR benchmarks across different paragon levels (1000@115, 2000@120, 3000@125, etc), and let our community test their changes with these numbers in mind. This way everyone is cognizant of the goal and better feedback can be collected to make the numbers work.
05/15/2019 06:08 AMPosted by dmkt


Their current balance policy must be, upgrade builds to not exceed the power of a classes' strongest build. This is fine for the solo class boards, but this is a multiplayer game and 8GRs is very noticeable in group play, especially when those two classes are already the #1 specialist trash clearers and RGKs.

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Well, I did not think about that. It can explain a lot, maybe they are balancing about their own vision on the different classes.

Like some are suited for speed farming, some for GR, some for bounties...

But in any cases, that's still wrong. All classes should be able to have some diversity, and respond (almost) every role in multiplayer GR possible. And the only solutions still the same: Re-up some unused builds, not nerfing some. (Hello crus.)
I think they don’t want to understand large parts of community are sick and tired about power creep Necros and Wizs.

The “Clarification on SP Wizard” thread (now removed) is enlightening, as much as the BS nerf, when they saw that build was “only” ~10 GRs behind SP: they don’t care about balance, they elected their own META and they won’t change it.

Enhancing Chantodo when already SP dominates LB is just a joke and denotes a lack of respect to players who believe this game needs really balance adjustements among classes.
If that wonky wiz build could clear GR 200 I still wouldn't play it.
In before all of the "Blizz is forcing me to play archon" whines fill the message board.

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