Vyr's Archon wizard?!

Wizard
https://www.d3planner.com/353579621

I've been working on this build on D3Planner. Is this going in the correct direction for this type of mage? Does this build have any obvious problems. I'm assuming it's messy and not correct in a lot of places.

Do we still get a bonus for season 17 that removes the need for the ring of royal grandeur?
The RORG ring bonus is gone for this seasons it is now the LoN bonus without any need for the LoN rings. The Vyr Chantodo build is very strong this season to say the least and I think most are running the ring/amulet green set combo also.
I'll assume this is a legitimate feedback request thread. Don't be fooled by the ridiculous 31M DPS that you're seeing.

06/19/2019 02:56 PMPosted by Aital
Is this going in the correct direction for this type of mage?


Sort of but also very off. Vyrs Archon Chantodos is well-established. Check the leaderboards for the basic setup.

06/19/2019 02:56 PMPosted by Aital
Do we still get a bonus for season 17 that removes the need for the ring of royal grandeur?


No that was last season. Season 17 theme is free Legacy of Nightmares ring set.

06/19/2019 02:56 PMPosted by Aital
Does this build have any obvious problems

  • Your planner is based on 10K paragon. This alone is wildly inflating the dmg and toughness stats.
  • D3 planner is currently bugged whereby Archon and Swami stacks are multiplicative with each other instead of additive. This is giving a misleading impression of much higher DPS than reality
  • Socket on offhand is a very weak stat, especially considering you put in a purple gem
  • You have Crown of the Primus equipped but don't have the Slow Time skill on your bar
  • No elemental dmg anywhere
  • Purple gems in armor sockets
  • Specc'ing for Life Per Second everywhere plus Rogar's ring and Molten Wildabeest gem is overkill. There's no need or synergy with this stat in the build
  • As far as I'm aware Wave of Force Arcane Attunement doesn't buff chantodos wave or archon abilities.
  • Overwhelming Desire isn't the worst choice for a zdps character, but there are better options. Instead of OD and Rogar you could just use Endless Walk set and easily double your dmg
  • Will eventually become difficult to survive without Magic Weapon:Deflection (unless all that Life Per Second can save you idk)
  • Strongarms equipped with no reliable knockback skill
  • I changed it out a bit. It has more defense. It's back to all red gems. Which it was before. It's basically max defense. I'm hoping that outdoes the rest. (I won't be shocked if it doesn't.)

    How does it look now?

    PowerOverwhelming:
    https://www.d3planner.com/318196777

    It has a lot less damage now though. I gained max APS though. Which Should maximize the archon stacks bonuses. Or I assume.

    Is there an elemental damage I should change those physical damages out too? I'm not sure if it matters at this point.

    Edit: Realized I forgot about zodiac ring. I'll have to put it back to higher crit or something. Or sacrifice some defense.

    I was assuming primus added benefits to slow time in archon mode. Does it not? I've read old post saying it doesn't, but has it changed to add this ability? still useful for the faster grind to 5aps for max stacks. Or that is what I'm assuming.

    Is it better to get orpheus in the cube or etched sigil. Orpheus would allow more castings but etched sigil would allow lazier more concensed casting to get black hole. I think etched sigil is probably faster. Unless black hole is really good for procing time reductions.

    Not having rogs rings make it feel a bit more scary. I would think that makes you virtually imortal. I wonder if the other shields will suffice.
    your weapons 10% damage

    06/19/2019 08:22 PMPosted by Aital
    I changed it out a bit. It has more defense. It's back to all red gems. Which it was before. It's basically max defense. I'm hoping that outdoes the rest. (I won't be shocked if it doesn't.)

    How does it look now?

    PowerOverwhelming:
    https://www.d3planner.com/318196777

    It has a lot less damage now though.

    I also lost one thing adding to cooldown. Does it matter I went from 9.22-11.76 seconds between archon activation? I could sacrifice 50 crit damage to get the cooldown reduction back on the left ring.

    I gained max APS though. Which Should maximize the archon stacks bonuses. Or I assume.

    Is there an elemental damage I should change those physical damages out too? I'm not sure if it matters at this point.

    If I need more defense I could change out bane of the stricken for Moratorium!
    the 10% damage on your weapon isnt worth it id go with LifeperHit instead. life on hit on weapon is enough on bracers u need cold dmg and crit hit. CDR required is 55-58 anything beyong is a waste since you need to get 20 stacks of Chandoto life regen is useless. you have too many of that u need stamina life% instead of that
    https://www.d3planner.com/378642902

    this would be the optional Vyr Chandoto for S17 thats how i play atleast
    I'm thinking I can probably switch out moratorium if needed for stricken. Does archon stack stricken well? I have mine set up for maximum APS.

    https://www.d3planner.com/318196777

    I wonder if moratorium will be useful as a midway thing to get past harder GR.

    Also, is it safe to dump one of the Crowd Control Reductions? I'm not sure if they are timed to anything and if it will matter to anything. Is it important to have absolute max on it. I did 3 out of 4.

    They are:

    1x = 40% = 2.5 times less
    2x = 64% = 2.7777 times less
    3x = 78.4% = 4.63 times less
    4x = 87.04% = 7.716 times less

    But I have no idea if it's super critical anywhere in game or what it matters what level it's at in practice.

    Edit: I keep reading that primus works with archon... So, either primus/Archon or bubbles... All of which take away some offense.

    Edit2:

    The forum is acting funny and eating parts of my post.

    Does this outdo having endless walks +100% via archon stacks?

    https://www.d3planner.com/220255581

    This has 1 second down time potential. So, I'm trying to figure out if I can get it to get both max chantodos stacks and 1 second down time with no compromise.

    Does anyone know what the max possible archon stacks are?

    And would the 10% attack speed added to the arcon bubble from primus scale with damage enough to outdo the lowered downtime from leorics crown. And then do I go with which 2 of these three:

    Leroic's crown
    The Swami
    Crown of Primus

    ideally you would want all three. Especially if the 1 second damage tick from chandoto's scales damage with APS.

    If I simply use the ability Slow time with the rune Stretch time will it give the archon version the same ability or does it only work with the Primus helm?

    So, either:

    https://www.d3planner.com/220255581 Max down time at 5 seconds min(1 second proc?). +10% familiar bonus?

    or:

    https://www.d3planner.com/117482771 Max APS 9.22 seconds(2second proc?) +15%damage bonus from slow time. Diablo Planner also shows double use of Slow time APS bonus. Not sure if this happens or not.

    At which point is it possible to get double slow time bonuses? Or double attack bonuses with archon? If gives the ability but counts as a second version I wonder...

    So, basically, Leoric's crown or Primus? I'm assuming it's not good to ditch Swami to maximise stacks. Or is there a way around it? Could I combine Primus and Leoric's and get a 1 second retic before it decycles my stacks?

    How long do archon stacks last after archon ends without Swami. If it stays up for 2-5 seconds I can work around swamis. Unless swamis helps double the stack count.

    Is death blossom any good with obsidian?
    06/19/2019 08:22 PMPosted by Aital
    I was assuming primus added benefits to slow time in archon mode. Does it not?


    You know, I think you are correct about this. I believe Primus does work with the archon bubble even if you don't have the normal bubble on your skill bar.
    Do you know if it double stacks the IAS bonus. D3planner shows it twice for 20% slow time bonus and 4.24 APS. I'm sure it could be a glitch, but if not it might be a nice bonus while it's up.

    And which of these builds gets better damage in the end? Does the first one build higher stacks faster from the downtime or does the second from the IAS increase.

    https://www.d3planner.com/220255581 Max down time at 5 seconds min(1 second proc?). +10% familiar bonus?

    or:

    https://www.d3planner.com/117482771 Max APS 9.22 seconds(2second proc?) +15%damage bonus from slow time. Diablo Planner also shows double use of Slow time APS bonus. Not sure if this happens or not.

    Also, does having slow time with a rune on your bar add that rune to the archons version without primus? If so that would open up some build potentials. Might also help answer the question about stacking time bonuses. Let alone if the damage buffs would stack.

    If the time bonus rune on the bar adds to archon without Primus I could go with Leroic's crown for the CD and forego Primus for +10% ATS for max ATS and max cooldown. Assuming that helps. It might help boost the overall archon stacks. If I can get rid of Primus and get the time bonus on archon and without I can get the best of both worlds.

    https://us.battle.net/forums/en/d3/topic/20752776002

    This says it does. So:

    https://www.d3planner.com/156236492

    I don't have the equipment to test. But how many archon stacks can this get?! And how do you absolutely minimize down time. Can you get 1 second or less downtime without shrines?

    Would Black hole help reduce the CD as it only has a 3 second CD itself? And would Death Blossom increase the time as it has a Proc Coef of 60% compared to 20% on spark(Particularly single target.). Not sure how that works from a math standpoint or how fast it can multi target or single target.

    And can you get Chantodo's up to 20 in that time?

    https://www.d3planner.com/502516251


    I did this to get it more recovery. Then it should heal up faster. I think it already has enough potential defense. The regen hopefully keeps it alive even in basic mode.
    06/20/2019 03:42 PMPosted by Aital
    Do you know if it double stacks the IAS bonus


    Yes normal bubble and archon bubble rune effects do stack. With Primus you can get double bubble effect for all runes.

    06/20/2019 03:42 PMPosted by Aital
    Also, does having slow time with a rune on your bar add that rune to the archons version without primus?


    Yes.
    Any idea on the minimum down time and time to get chantodos or the max stacks possible?

    Would it be of any help to remove the 5% crit from paragon. Or would it not be significant to using Broken Promises?

    If Static Discharge does 0.2 proc and 15aps at max it is only -3 second reduction per second.. (Black hole chaining?)

    Does something about static discharge make it go beyond this that is not apparent from the stats? Or can black hole help fill this void? I can't find out how many ticks black hole has per second.

    Death Blossom starts at 8.57x0.6=-5.142 seconds reduction per second with a max or is 0.6 proc at 10 aps for -6 seconds reduction per second.. That is enough to get a one second or less archon. Just not sure on getting chantodos to 20 each time. I'm assuming Death Blossom has a hard time hitting single targets efficiently.

    I wonder if they will put this back to go with this build:

    https://diablo.fandom.com/wiki/Critical_Mass

    It would make some nice additions to it.

    this is interesting. That means either Death blossom can cover the 5 second timer for this setup. Or if you add the extra 10 from captain set you get 3 seconds plus 3 second black hole. Meaning you can undo the timer for black hole and archon in one second... How much do you loose from the last part of vyr's bonus not being present?

    Old video:
    http://www.wtbblue.com/diablo-3-ros-wizard-theorycrafting-perma-archon-demonstration/

    Edit: Also Arcane Orb/Obliteration technically gets a little more than spark unless something about it is does more than -3 second reduction per second.

    Arcane Orb/Obliteration:

    5aps*0.655 = -3.275 seconds per second

    This would Perfectly fit the 9.22 second cooldown build as it would reduce it to less than 3 seconds as opposed to just over 3 seconds. Assuming no other factors. That would be the build with the Primus helmet I think.

    Edit: Nvm, I'm assuming the 4 sparks on static discharge equal out the the same as the APS. And if the chantodo's isn't proc coef based it would also get 20 in the exact same time. That would mean you could get it in 1/3 of a second down time in the build with the 80% Cooldown for Archon. Just not sure if that can proc enough archon stacks to outweight the benefits of Endless walks bonus. Although it might be a defensive feature in and of itself. I think the other build with EW can get 2/3 of a second down time. And it has more damage. I think the COE is outweighed by Broken Promises. Unless I'm waisting too much ASI in the build and I can shift it around for more damage. Not sure which ones get better dps overall. COE does get higher hits though.

    Doesn't 15 stacks a second mean you want to proc BOTS from AT as much as possible though? I'm assuming AT:SD hits solo with how close the sparks start.
    I have officially fixed the build!!!!

    https://www.d3planner.com/764749955

    It is now completely perfect!!!

    Look at the 4th set. I have added hacyon's! 8D (I wondered why it was listed in wizard when it states a non wizard skill.)

    It has a 1/3 second downtime for archon with Hacyon's and a little extra Area damage. Server's go nom nom nom.

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