Vyr's

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I appreciate the recent buffs to Vyr's, its great, I love it, but it doesn't explain why the inna buff was lowered by 50% after the PTR, it would have been on par with Vyr's, and would not have broken the game. LoN Wizard would still be trash clear meta. Just food for thought.
I'm pretty sure the actual buff was to Chandtodo's set, and not Vyr's. Vyr's just benefit because of the synergy with it.
07/03/2019 08:09 PMPosted by MOE
I'm pretty sure the actual buff was to Chandtodo's set, and not Vyr's. Vyr's just benefit because of the synergy with it.


It was, indeed. Vyr's set is actually fairly low on the DPS side. It's Chantodo's that accounts for probably a good ~80% of Vyr damage. If Firebird's is ever made viable, there's an excellent chance it'll try to work in Chantodo's as well.
07/03/2019 08:45 PMPosted by Venaliter
It was, indeed. Vyr's set is actually fairly low on the DPS side.


Strictly speaking it's not low at all. Each archon stack gives 100% additional damage and that means even at relatively low 150 stacks Vyr 6p already provides 151x damage multiplier.

It's Archon's base abilities that are weak because they don't get enough other damage multipliers to boost their damage.

If Vyr were truly weak, there wouldn't be Reverse Vyr Archon builds.
07/03/2019 09:35 PMPosted by HunterKiller
07/03/2019 08:45 PMPosted by Venaliter
It was, indeed. Vyr's set is actually fairly low on the DPS side.


Strictly speaking it's not low at all. Each archon stack gives 100% additional damage and that means even at relatively low 150 stacks Vyr 6p already provides 151x damage multiplier.


They are 8, 9, and even 10,000% set multipliers. The average Vyr stack of of about ~300 is chicken feed ;-)
Ignoring area damage (which affects Archon abilities but not Chantodo's), and at 5 APS, Chantodo's is ~98% of your DPS.

Archon abilities (strike @ 5 APS + blast @ 1/0.67 sec, with Improved Archon multiplier):

(790*5*1.5+604/0.67*1.5)= 7277.2 WD/sec

Chantodo's Wave (at 20 stacks and 5 APS):
4000*20*5 = 400000 WD/sec

400000/(400000+7277.2) = 0.982.

When Chantodo's was 350% (prior to 2.6.1), it was more like a 50/50 split between Archon abilities damage and Chantodo's damage. When Chantodo's was 1000% (2.6.1 and 2.6.4), it was more like a 75/25 split. Now it's just a ridiculous portion of your total DPS.
I'm not particularly fond of Vyr's damage coming mostly from chantodo. It'd be nice if the archon skills themselves did a good amount of damage.
07/04/2019 08:59 AMPosted by Oblivion
I'm not particularly fond of Vyr's damage coming mostly from chantodo. It'd be nice if the archon skills themselves did a good amount of damage.


And we TOLD them that till we were blue in the face. We are STILL telling them Archon stacks needs to only improve Archon DPS. Reverse Archon is *not* good gameplay, but it's too good a multiplier to pass up. Every build needs it.
07/04/2019 08:47 AMPosted by TinneOnnMuin
Ignoring area damage (which affects Archon abilities but not Chantodo's), and at 5 APS, Chantodo's is ~98% of your DPS.


Even I had no idea it was this high. I figured maybe as high as 90%. not 98%.

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