Caltrops?

Demon Hunter
Okay so I do not understand why people are hating on caltrops. Is there something that I am missing? Though i am only on Act2 of Hell at the moment, i find caltrops to be invaluable in kiting. Monsters move so fast sometimes I find this to be one of the best ways to get some more dps off in conjunction with my other abilities, it also cuts the time down on fights...

So begs to question? Why not use it? If I am missing something or something changes in later content, what is it? At the moment I do not know how to survive as well without it. If I must eventually remove it, then what should i replace it with? Only time it ever leaves my hotkeys is when i have a boss fight...

Also for those who do use it. I see people using "Hooked Spines" more often than "Torturous Ground" runes. Is it all a matter of play style or does that 80% really seal the deal? Currently my play style is to pop caltrops infront of me and then sit on one and dps until monsters come near, at which point they are stunned 2 seconds and i move. Works espessially well for me in co-op.

Anyways...

Here is my current build incase anyone was wondering... http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/demon-hunter#aRYdXV!aYe!YaZbZb

Close but not yet about to use NT and sometimes switch Tactical Advantage for Sharpshooter. Incase that matters.
Caltrops are amazing. Add that in with the Jagged spikes rune and with a high enough DPS it zaps the life out of everything. :)

I basically made my Demon Hunter similar to trapsin in Diablo 2...

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/demon-hunter#aeYVkl!bWc!YabbYZ
I haven't seen another person use jagged spikes yet. Sure it starts out low but slowly they become very powerful. Place them under a boss like Azmodan and you see his life just being destroyed.
I've been using them through Hell but now in Inferno they do not help against any elite mob. And since I'm trying to stack Nephalem Valor, I can't switch skills.
05/29/2012 10:55 AMPosted by dbieon12
I've been using them through Hell but now in Inferno they do not help against any elite mob.


Wrong.

I farm the Arreat Crater/Tower area of A3 consistently and caltrops w/ torturous ground makes kiting most of the elite/champ packs a joke since the pathways are all so narrow.

Both the snare and the root work perfectly fine in inferno.
05/29/2012 10:55 AMPosted by dbieon12
I've been using them through Hell but now in Inferno they do not help against any elite mob. And since I'm trying to stack Nephalem Valor, I can't switch skills.


Really? I find that they help a lot in kiting mobs in tight places. If I place them in a doorway or up a stairway, I can get a lot of free damage off before they catch up.
Try spike traps. They may not slow, but they do a LOT of damage.
I use Caltrops but not with Jagged Spikes anymore. On bosses and normal mobs it's very useful DPS you can add while kiting but against Champions and Rares with Reflect Damage it can become a liability.
I personally find jagged spike qutie good in Inferno, I just drop a few of them behind me as I kite normal or Elite/Champ while firing NT at them, the damage adds up fast, only time I dont use it is on reflect mobs (lol).
My spikes tick for 80-110k crit. dps wise, 5 stacked traps do more than my pewpewing.
Or, you could just be a beast Demon Hunter. Meaning, not having to worry about kiting, and rely on pure damage. Use SS / Prep, of course. Also, Impale ( with Grievous Wounds ) and using your Bat companion allows for max. damage output. Get a weapon with 900+ damage and you then, don't have to worry about caltrops. The only point where I see caltrops being necessary is for the achieve. =/
Just like to know, does the damage tick every second or is it a 1-hit thing with jagged?
ticks throughout the duration of the trap
It keeps hurting them until the trap is gone. Honestly, with this rune the DPS I would say is over what it tells you. If you have 5 traps under them and shoot them you are doing way more than what your damage tells you on the character screen.
05/29/2012 11:00 AMPosted by Myst
Or, you could just be a beast Demon Hunter. Meaning, not having to worry about kiting, and rely on pure damage. Use SS / Prep, of course. Also, Impale ( with Grievous Wounds ) and using your Bat companion allows for max. damage output. Get a weapon with 900+ damage and you then, don't have to worry about caltrops. The only point where I see caltrops being necessary is for the achieve. =/


Used to to Caltrops...switched to what you said, except I use MS with Fire at Will (for crowd control) and not Impale
05/29/2012 10:53 AMPosted by ToRealistic
I love Caltrops! with Jagged spikes there A M A Z I N G!


^ With this rune they do a very signifigant amount of damage, especially to swarms of little mobs (spiderlings, scorpions, shadow fiends). Drop some traps, forget about the trash while it melts in a trap and focus on your main target.

Also very decent for some extra dps while kiting rares/champs/bosses.

Edit:
05/29/2012 11:09 AMPosted by RamenSage
ticks throughout the duration of the trap


Also, as far as I can tell, each trap does damage. You can have 5 (or is it 4?) caltrops out at one time.
I have the exact same build minus the fact that I use "Cull the weak" for more damage to slowed enemies and Frost arrow rune for Elemental Arrow because it aids in keeping things slowed and the "Cull the weak" bonus up.

Between Caltrops + Frost Arrow, you are almost always hitting things that are slowed!

Oh and Scatter Shot rune on Hungering Arrow I believe is better than the one you are using.
my build: http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/demon-hunter#aRYXSV!TYe!YcbZca

it really is perfect, jagged caltrops + spike traps = lots of dead things you didnt even know where there.

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