People need to stop complaining about the AH.

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i agree that people need to stop complaining about everything, no game is perfect, ive wasted so much gold on ah but u dont see me !@#$%ing....learn to play and get use to the dinamics of d3 or quit playing plain and simple
08/27/2013 08:00 AMPosted by Outrage420
i agree that people need to stop complaining about everything, no game is perfect, ive wasted so much gold on ah but u dont see me !@#$%ing....learn to play and get use to the dinamics of d3 or quit playing plain and simple


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08/26/2013 03:25 PMPosted by Wired
Some are cash rich and time poor, others are cash poor and time rich, Blizz now seemingly realise they must cater to BOTH markets, tweaking loot 2.0 to add more BOA and better loot, to better balance the loot drop versus ah balance.


Hey Wired, you do have some insight here. I COMPLETELY agree with this, and this is probably the basis of why the community is split on the topic.

However, here is my comment on catering to the people who are time rich, and cash poor: unbound items works for EVERYONE you listed, but BoA items in fact discriminates against people who are time poor. My argument is that a free market gives people the choice to buy stuff, as inflated as it may be, whereas BoA items don't even provide choice to a group of people you have listed. Thus, I cannot agree BoA is better in an overall sense.

Now, don't get me wrong, I like the idea of self-found. What they should do in LOOT 2.0 is show 'Finder Details' on all found loot. This way, you can mock me all you want for having bought my gear, and at the same time I enjoy myself playing. Alternatively, I am simply too busy to play the game at all. Both of us win. But never force me to have to destroy good loots.. this is the fundamental flaw of BoA, I need the option to trade them for gear upgrades. It's a faster way for me to gear up.

Also, in terms of the flipping problem, the TRUE problem is not the greedy flipper, but the IGNORANT seller. So, I have also proposed in the past that an Item Valuation Tool could stop flipping. When some guy tries to sell a sword for 1/10th the price similar swords sell for, it warns them, even suggests a better price. THIS is the solution to the flipping problem. Sell price is what determines value, rule 1 of economics, and if the seller is about to enable a flip, they should be warned. Simple fix, and a handy tool to help us shop too.
08/27/2013 08:54 AMPosted by Lammy
Some are cash rich and time poor, others are cash poor and time rich, Blizz now seemingly realise they must cater to BOTH markets, tweaking loot 2.0 to add more BOA and better loot, to better balance the loot drop versus ah balance.


Hey Wired, you do have some insight here. I COMPLETELY agree with this, and this is probably the basis of why the community is split on the topic.

However, here is my comment on catering to the people who are time rich, and cash poor: unbound items works for EVERYONE you listed, but BoA items in fact discriminates against people who are time poor. My argument is that a free market gives people the choice to buy stuff, as inflated as it may be, whereas BoA items don't even provide choice to a group of people you have listed. Thus, I cannot agree BoA is better in an overall sense.

Now, don't get me wrong, I like the idea of self-found. What they should do in LOOT 2.0 is show 'Finder Details' on all found loot. This way, you can mock me all you want for having bought my gear, and at the same time I enjoy myself playing. Alternatively, I am simply too busy to play the game at all. Both of us win. But never force me to have to destroy good loots.. this is the fundamental flaw of BoA, I need the option to trade them for gear upgrades. It's a faster way for me to gear up.

Also, in terms of the flipping problem, the TRUE problem is not the greedy flipper, but the IGNORANT seller. So, I have also proposed in the past that an Item Valuation Tool could stop flipping. When some guy tries to sell a sword for 1/10th the price similar swords sell for, it warns them, even suggests a better price. THIS is the solution to the flipping problem. Sell price is what determines value, rule 1 of economics, and if the seller is about to enable a flip, they should be warned. Simple fix, and a handy tool to help us shop too.

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Sigh you have no idea whom you're insulting. I've had all sorts of record and firsts in D3 lol. Theory Crafting / guides / videos and wacky stuff - just google Wired#2524 lolz.

Anyways back on topic - it's not about the reasearch before posting DUH! It's about the FLIPPERS removing the best stuff to rmah, meaning you can't get end game items without paying cash!

So please, try to be less insulting and name calling of others who are in reality far more equipped to comment (through experience) than yourself!

It's nice to be important - but far more important to be NICE!
I will apologize for my name calling. But the ah is not the biggest problem facing the game atm. So what i take from this is all the endgame gear should be owned by everyone? Endgame gear should be as rare as they come.


So ... endgame gear should be available only to those willing to pay real money for items ... no one said everyone should have endgame gear, simply that it should be possible for dedicated players to acquire it without reaching for the plastic in their wallet. You do not seem too bright.
08/23/2013 04:55 PMPosted by tbagala
How does the game force you to use the ah? Again this is the entitlement at work.


Technically, it isn't 'forced', but it IS HEAVILY HEAVILY influenced, very close to being forced, as well as causing the drops to roll much too random, with no predefined structure of any kind so that the AH could 'maintain' a stable economy and not be flooded with the same type of gear.
We all know how BS that is tho.


People aren't forced to use the AH, unless they want to play above mp2.
08/23/2013 05:07 PMPosted by CrniVuk
And these problems are exaggerated. If people wanna sell gear to purchase other gear that is up to them if people wanna spend their own money it is up to them. The only reason why people imo complain about this game is because they are jealous and feel they are entitled to the best gear.

imagine ... people that payed the full price for the game ... playing it a lot ... feeling entitled to get the best gear in the game :O

THE HORROR! I TELL YOU!

I dont mind if people decide to waste their money on virtual pixels, of they enjoy to spend 90% of the time to stare at a screen playing the stockbroker of Diablo 3 beeing the auction house Tycoon or what ever you want to call them. Really now. I dont care how people spend their time or money. Who am I to tell people what they should do?

But dont YOU tell ME that I am not entitled to the best gear in the game. Who are YOU to decide that? To tell me that someone with eventually 2000 or even 3000 hours of gameplay has not the same right to reach the same items and character someone did nothing else then using the RMAH or spending most of the time on the auction house flipping stuff. Sorry. But I have no tolerance with such attitudes. Do I want to take that way from you? Hell no! Do what EVER YOU WANT WITH YOUR TIME ( I mean that in general ). I am NOT going to tell people how they should play the game.

But, and that is the point that really frustrates me is, when you look at the way how the game works and how the RNG on items is set up, then you can farm for the rest of your life in this game, be the most efficient farmer that walked the earth ... and the chance is extremly small that you will ever achieve what people do with money or flipping. And why is that? Because they pretty much eliminate the RNG here. And you tell me I am not entitled to the best gear by playing the game? Then why the hell should I play at all? That would be like playing a racing game where you have only a 0.001% chance to win. Or playing a shooter where 99,99% of your shots miss the target. That would be like ... something no would enjoy.

I have no clue what can be done to change this. All I know is that I am not ready to spend the rest of my life playing a game that doesnt give me even a REALISTIC chance to reach something that people buy with money. A game that I payed money for. This is not some Free2play game. There are people that buy directly power inside our outside the game. That alone is bad enough. But I could accept that if I had a chance to get there by just playing the damn game and not its auction house.

Someone tells me I am not entitled to the "best" gear? Why? But someon whos not even really playing the game is? What kind of twisted logic is that? is it the Flipper or the player whos buying stuff on the RMAH that keeps the game alive? Or might it be the guy that spends most of his time actually inside the game, opening games, joining games, killing monsters, playing with his friends or random people, doing quests farming the endless fields of misery? Tell me, how long would this game really survive if tomorrow every human player would decide to use the auction house and the auction house ONLY. Where would the game be?


Hell yes ....
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08/23/2013 04:06 PMPosted by Jt3z
1st off it is optional not mandatory


The way drops and items are tuned, the AH is mandatory.

2nd its the only safe way to essentially trade items without getting scammed. Throughout the year ive seen countless "I got Scammed threads" which is utterly stupid.


Because the trade window sucks and they refuse to fix it. Which is obviously intentional since they want to steer you towards the AH and RMAH.

08/23/2013 04:06 PMPosted by Jt3z
3rd The reason i believe people dislike the ah is because they are jealous and they feel they are entitled to the best gear out there


Strawman.

08/23/2013 04:06 PMPosted by Jt3z
Before people start flaming on me i am not defending the ah


Yes you are.

Your post is invalid.
08/23/2013 05:18 PMPosted by Wired
Well, I have a lot of hours in this game, like very very close to 2000 hours, and I've NEVER found anything worth more than 250mil, and that was on hardcore, a pair of ice climbers.


I also have @ 2000, and 300m was the sale value my best ever find - a monk fist WKL.

Some flippers make 300m in minutes.

NOW can we all agree with Blizz when they accepted the fact the AH DAMAGED THE GAME.


I am easily over 2000 hours as well and the best item I have found was an echoing fury that sold for 350m. If you ask almost every legit player, they will tell you a similar story. There's even a thread on the topic.
I don't use the AH because I can't afford to spend 2 billion gold on each item.


Imbecile is such a hard word.

It's more related to playing style. While most games reward focused character specialization, due to the loot system, D3 reward those that try to learn about all character and what kind of equip they need.

The proof :

Loot 2.0 - Smart loot is designed so more class specific loot dropped.
Paragon 2.0 - is designed so people encouraged to play more than one character

TBH, the smart drop is the only thing that's bugging me. I mean, all of my account-wide SF items were found by other classes. Wiz found the Manticore (1316, 291 dex, OS) my DH's using, Barb found the 8% IAS Unity for Wiz, DH found the 260INT 4%CC Zuni's mask for WD...I enjoy this much better because everytime it felt like the "accomplishment" of two chars!!


It would be nice to have an option to toggle smart drops for those with one of every class.
Skilllol, sigh...You have clearly demonstrated your seemingly warped view (IMO) of morality regarding ripping off newer players and abusing AH mechanics etc,and regardless how much effort I and others put into it - your mind and viewpoint seem closed to debate or reason. You also seem to be determined to insult, mock and attack and frankly TROLL those who disagree with your own perspective, often derailing the intended topic of that debate.

This is unacceptable (IMO) and I have now spent some time discussing your numerous insulting posts and rather nasty and condescending comments with a Blizz employee I have agreed to adopt the following policy;

I'll be making no further attempts to instill a sense of fair play or decency into your psyche as evidently you only agree with the views expressed in these forums if they exactly mirror your own already fixed ideals of greed and selfishness.

I will also refrain from replying to any of your smug, sneering or sarcastic comments to myself or others with whom you disagree for the reasons mentioned. You will no doubt continue to use and abuse the ah / rmah and disagreeing with your peers and forum users as you see fit.

The last point I will make is that sometimes your use of the English language is very poor and I think you come across as arrogant and sneering, possibly unwittingly. This tends to upset players, and be destructive to the debates for which these forums were intended. I am politely attempting to help you, though you may not think that.

You may wish to consider your actions and comments and their consequences more thoroughly going forwards...
Its nice to be morally self righteous but this is a game man.


No ... this is a forum for conversation. This is not a game. You do not seem too bright either.
I agree with the statement people feel entitled to GG gears.
In the diablo franchise you always have had to go to 3rd party sites( or RMAH now) and pay top $ to get GG gear or grind for 1000's of hours. Removing G/RM AH would not change a thing.

Crappy itemization that forces you to go to the AH to even tackle MP3 is the blame here.


I agree with half of this statement. The issue is that in d3, grinding for 100's of hours doesn't work either. Unless of course, you win the lottery.
Where did I quote you as saying it was cheating? Try to get something right.


08/26/2013 07:05 PMPosted by Wolfcat
Don't try to pass it off as cheating


Right there!

Sigh... some people lol.
1st off it is optional not mandatory 2nd its the only safe way to essentially trade items without getting scammed. Throughout the year ive seen countless "I got Scammed threads" which is utterly stupid. 3rd The reason i believe people dislike the ah is because they are jealous and they feel they are entitled to the best gear out there.(I believe this is the biggest reason why some hate the ah)

Before people start flaming on me i am not defending the ah or am against it i just believe it is the least of our worries atm.


1st off it is optional not mandatory = YOU ARE DEAD WRONG. Progression in this game is solely based on how much money Blizzard would make from the AH. If not, it would rain CC Mempos all damn day long.

2nd its the only safe way to essentially trade items without getting scammed. = TRADING is optional. I NEVER TRADE and love to play by finding my own gear. If you trade, it's all up to you. Don't like Trading, create an in-game AH where you do not get a chance to PAY for in game gold.

3rd The reason i believe people dislike the ah is because they are jealous and they feel they are entitled to the best gear out there = AGAIN, DEAD WRONG. I don't like the fact that Leonardo DiCaprio can install the game, lvl to 60, go to the RMAH, buy up all the gold and items and leave the rest of us in the dust. Progression in the game gives you an advantage, if you use the RMAH.
I really look forward to the time, when PvP will be finally implemented, with some kind of ranking system...

The forums will expolde.

Really, there isn't even a real competition mode online and people already go crazy...
08/27/2013 08:54 AMPosted by Lammy
the TRUE problem is not the greedy flipper, but the IGNORANT seller.


Come on man. You are seriously condoning the greed of opportunist flippers, by blaming the fact they CAN make a profit?

If they couldn't, there would be no flipping!

Just because you CAN buy an underpriced item for cheap, and re list immediately for a big profit - does not make it RIGHT!

Why not smile and think of the guy who NEEDS that item for an upgrade getting a bargain and move on - as I and most genuine gamers do?

Just because Blizz have sold their soul for $ - doesn't mean we players have to!!

It causes untold harm to the game to see players needing upgrade get continually outbid at last second - only to find the same item re-listed for double a few minuted later!!! And this happens time and time again - THIS is a big part why over 11m players have now quit D3.
08/25/2013 12:15 PMPosted by KhaoS
Question to some people here, has a Basement Dweller living off welfare more right to imba loots than someone with a job? maybe in a game in which much skill is required but that's not the case in D3.


Hmmm ... I live with my wife in a house. Your post is based on inaccurate assumptions. If I wanted to spend money on gold, I would. However, I do not wish to spend money on gold. It's simply a matter of principle and it is also a fairy-tale land. Real money has no place in fairy tales.

You are right that D3 lacks skill as a necessity to play on an elite level. I am guessing that is why you play it, because you can use your credit card instead of having any skill at gaming?
Just imagine if D3 never had AH/RMAH and you're playing Legit, self found and abit of trading and wts/wtb spamming chat every once in a while, trying to progress from MP4 to MP5 but it's been Months and taking ages to progress further.

And then theres players with sick gear steamrolling MP10, "How did they get the gear for it? WTH i've been trying for ages to progress! how did they do it waaahahah"

Go figure it out already, without AH/RMAH players turning to 3rd party websites will shine and outgear you way more than RMAH users do now.

And no, better items dropping wouldn't fix that because there always will be better and better items that didn't drop for you, and if somehow better items would fix it than EVERYONE will do endgame in no time and there would be an outcry for higher difficulty (because "It's so easy and every noob can do MP10 blabla") and when that's in place you need these items that didn't drop for you again.


IMHO, nobody should be able to faceroll mp10. Only the top elite players should even be able to hang in mp10, and even then it should be a great challenge. Veteran players should be in the mp6-8 range and newer players should be in the lower mps. How many people have to get bored of roflstomping mp10 before they finally figure this out?
1st off it is optional not mandatory 2nd its the only safe way to essentially trade items without getting scammed. Throughout the year ive seen countless "I got Scammed threads" which is utterly stupid. 3rd The reason i believe people dislike the ah is because they are jealous and they feel they are entitled to the best gear out there.(I believe this is the biggest reason why some hate the ah)

Before people start flaming on me i am not defending the ah or am against it i just believe it is the least of our worries atm.


AH is one of the main issues with the game. Instead of grinding your way to the top, the game is tailored for you to go to AH to get any significant upgrades. They've made some strides with BoA gear, but they need to do this across the board. They need to stop basing drops off of auction house and let people grind their gear. They don't need to remove it.

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