04/24/2017 01:04 AMPosted by TheChemistNow downvote me :)I've been upvoting you. ;)04/24/2017 01:37 AMPosted by Lightsglory^ love how it got downvotes even through its the first blue post I've seen in the play section for 2 months. Not sure if the joke was bad, in poor taste, or it went over peoples heads.Your joke wouldn't have been the first thing in this thread to have gone over peoples' heads...I find it interesting that a post that has 10 downvotes now was the one that a designer responded to...04/24/2017 02:54 AMPosted by DreamskullDo you understand?Yep!04/24/2017 02:12 AMPosted by Arkon…

04/23/2017 01:46 PMPosted by PsychologicThis assumes people agree on what should happen. I've seen very few people who have a problem with the current behavior. I personally think it makes complete sense.I envy you for it making complete sense to you (I wish it did for me).The question is whether more or less people would be satisfied with a different solution. If this particular solution never existed, and Blizzard just decided to not allow cards to be returned to hand if the hand was full (mirroring how you can't play minions from hand if your board is full), or if they decided to have the…

04/23/2017 01:05 PMPosted by MandExcept, that's not what happens. It doesn't leave the table, it is simply destroyed when the hand is checked before leaving the table. That's what happens, regardless of what you think should happen.If there is a dichotomy between what actually happens and what people think/assume/intuit should happen, there is a design problem.

04/23/2017 06:31 AMPosted by ElementalityThis is all based on your subjective opinion. There is no right or wrong (as Frozenwind pointed out, there are a myriad of potential solutions, all with their own merits), so I'm not sure why you continue typing up the same argument again and again. We get it, you don't agree with the solution that is implemented, that's fine. You are entitled to that opinion.The bottom line is this: Regardless of what you think the solution SHOULD be, the current solution is a logically sound solution that the designer of the card game decided on. Whether or not you th…

04/23/2017 03:46 AMPosted by TheChemistSo i think we all understand how this works now, especially after the blizzard post, (Thx Max McCall btw) but still this doesnt make it right. The fact that the minion never enters the hand doesnt mean its still in play when destroyed. It leaves the table then tries to enter your hand and while it cants then gets destroyed. Therefore its effect its similar like when you draw and your hand is full. In Hs this is not considered as discard, so it shouldnt count for warlock quest for example but its still wrong to be considered as a minion that gets destroyed…

04/22/2017 11:07 PMPosted by Max McCallIf your hand has ten cards in it, cards attempting to move to your hand are destroyed instead.That this triggers deathrattles is unexpected, but logical: the minion never enters the hand, so it is still in play when destroyed, so it's deathrattle triggers.This rule has nothing to do with power level. It is because there isn't an elegant way to move a minion to a full hand, then move it to the graveyard. The Sap animation is already kind of long, because it needs to establish visually what's going on and where the minion is in your hand and how it got ther…

04/21/2017 07:00 PMPosted by WymanI've heard other confusions similar to this, like how buffed damaged minions don't keep all the damage received after they lose their buffs. That got me when I first started, but quickly learned that's how this works in this game.The only thing I actually do wish for though is a decently thorough list of all the interesting interactions this game possesses, as there are many!:-)Yeah, that's also one that I had to learn, but I came to accept the reasoning presented there, as it does make sense and uses consistent logic (just a different one than I had expected)…

Thanks for keeping the conversation rolling, everyone. Even those who have been downvoting my posts and voicing their disagreement.I'll try to list some things that leads me to say this is a patchwork (albeit one that is "working as intended," as in, it is a design choice that Blizzard made, one that many of you were quick to note that I disagree with.)Blizzard designed all the rules.In the rules, they decided to assign a 10-card hand limit.They also decided to create cards that return cards to hand.This resulted in a situation where the design of the 10-card hand limit and the design of the c…

04/21/2017 06:22 PMPosted by SquidLips04/21/2017 06:12 PMPosted by MandOn what basis do you make such an epic pronouncement?on the basis that once a minion is played, it ceases to be a card and begins to be a minion. At this point, it makes no logical sense for it ever to be "returned to hand"The systems at war are return to hand and hand size. The minion was returned to hand, so it cannot remain on the board. The hand is full, so it cannot return to hand. Thus we arrive at our paradox.Instead sorting out the logic and rules of their own game, Blizzard simply chooses to destroy the minion.The …

I surprisingly agree with a lot of what you write here!04/21/2017 05:20 PMPosted by VizionariusI guess I can't think of minions as being separate entities from the cards that they are when they are in hand. I think of them as being the same object, just with different properties when in different zones.The problem with this line of thinking is exemplified with the Weasel Tunneler. The card has bizarre interactions simply because it always stays the same entity instead of creating clean copies. Yeah, the Tunneler is strange, mostly because of the game's way of dealing with timestamps, which cau…