Apparently spiteful is a thing even on paladin...

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http://www.hearthstonetopdecks.com/decks/burr0s-7-legend-spiteful-even-paladin-april-2018/

Absurd, please team 5 get a clue and hotfix a nerf for spiteful already, braindead curve card that is too powerful.
Amani Berserker in a real deck, lol

Awesome!

That Spiteful is just trying to hit Tirion, heh
what do you excpect? The card has no down side and even at a low roll of 4-mana, it is still a 6-mana with 20+ stats.
04/21/2018 08:16 PMPosted by NOC
what do you excpect? The card has no down side and even at a low roll of 4-mana, it is still a 6-mana with 20+ stats.

6 mana 4/4 is a down side.
Having to only have 10 mana spells in your deck is also a downside.
04/21/2018 09:18 PMPosted by Lucio
04/21/2018 08:16 PMPosted by NOC
what do you excpect? The card has no down side and even at a low roll of 4-mana, it is still a 6-mana with 20+ stats.

6 mana 4/4 is a down side.
Having to only have 10 mana spells in your deck is also a downside.


Upvoted for truth , people dont realize how much of a restriction spiteful is , and while in standard will not always be as now .

Ive stoped playing it in my jungle spiteful deck , removed 2 spitefull , added 2 swipes .. it was often countered and no other spells outside UI was just awful in the current meta.
Paladin was the first class to show spiteful's power in a HCT tournament. The other classes just caught on.
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6 mana 4/4 is a down side.
Having to only have 10 mana spells in your deck is also a downside.


Upvoted for truth , people dont realize how much of a restriction spiteful is , and while in standard will not always be as now .

Ive stoped playing it in my jungle spiteful deck , removed 2 spitefull , added 2 swipes .. it was often countered and no other spells outside UI was just awful in the current meta.


If your deck can be successful without the extra spells then there isnt a downside. Deck building requirements arent a "downside" they are requirements. Thats like saying reno and kazakus have the downside of only playing 1 of each card. If its strong enough to actually be a top tier card/deck it isnt a downside.
04/21/2018 11:24 PMPosted by DirtyDel
If your deck can be successful without the extra spells then there isnt a downside. Deck building requirements arent a "downside" they are requirements. Thats like saying reno and kazakus have the downside of only playing 1 of each card. If its strong enough to actually be a top tier card/deck it isnt a downside.


Exactly, if you're already including only high mana spells, there's no restriction. Let's say you only run 5-10 mana cost spells. What's the downside?
"deckbuild restrictions isnt a downside !!" what ?
04/22/2018 06:39 AMPosted by Boreas
"deckbuild restrictions isnt a downside !!" what ?


You build you deck in a way that makes up for the restriction. That isnt a downside...
04/22/2018 07:31 AMPosted by DirtyDel
04/22/2018 06:39 AMPosted by Boreas
"deckbuild restrictions isnt a downside !!" what ?


You build you deck in a way that makes up for the restriction. That isnt a downside...

It is still a downside because you're using less than optimal cards.

For instance, going back to K&C, Spiteful Priest if it didn't have the requirement would have probably LOVED to have run one copy of Dragonfire Potion. Currently Spiteful Druid would probably love to run one copy of Swipe, especially if you're seeing more Odd than Even Paladin.

So yes the restriction(s) to a card in deck building are still a downside as they tend to force you to play suboptimal cards based on no restrictions. The question ultimately becomes is the power spike granted from these restriction cards too great for the restriction limits.

I'd say Baku and Genn seem, currently, to offer a good trade-off. You are clearing being forced to run some suboptimal cards in order to gain the power of the hero power (+Eel in Shaman) and that weakness can be exploited.

Spiteful's weakness can be targeted; however, it is worth it to note that even with Spiteful's issues with wide boards it is still, apparently, having great success in Priest and Druid (not saying Paladin yet, one person =/= new meta deck). Spiteful would probably be #3 on my 'hit list' of cards to mess with tweaking on a test server.
Playing suboptimal cards for a big power spike isnt a downside to spiteful. You are still using decent cards you just play the deck differently than you would with the spells you lack. That is not a downside.
04/22/2018 07:53 AMPosted by Lykotic
So yes the restriction(s) to a card in deck building are still a downside as they tend to force you to play suboptimal cards based on no restrictions. The question ultimately becomes is the power spike granted from these restriction cards too great for the restriction limits.

Or, how many other options bypass those "restrictions" and offer similar coverage to those who chose not to have those restrictions.

Spiteful Priest with Duskbreaker is pretty good. Imagine if Priest received a big minion that does AoE. Then, Spiteful Summoner would no longer have a tradeoff necessarily.
04/22/2018 08:05 AMPosted by Leonis
04/22/2018 07:53 AMPosted by Lykotic
So yes the restriction(s) to a card in deck building are still a downside as they tend to force you to play suboptimal cards based on no restrictions. The question ultimately becomes is the power spike granted from these restriction cards too great for the restriction limits.

Or, how many other options bypass those "restrictions" and offer similar coverage to those who chose not to have those restrictions.

Spiteful Priest with Duskbreaker is pretty good. Imagine if Priest received a big minion that does AoE. Then, Spiteful Summoner would no longer have a tradeoff necessarily.

Yeah, this is a fair point as well. If you can overcome the issue too easily then it is no longer an issue. I don't think any Spiteful deck currently has reached that point as I think their worst matches are all the aggressive decks (checked Vs, only aggro deck between Spiteful Druid and Priest that one is favored against is Druid vs. Face Hunter) and as such it is still indicating that going wide is a good plan.

04/22/2018 08:02 AMPosted by DirtyDel
Playing suboptimal cards for a big power spike isnt a downside to spiteful. You are still using decent cards you just play the deck differently than you would with the spells you lack. That is not a downside.

It is certainly a downside compared to if Spiteful was, for instance, summon a random minion equal to the highest cost spell in your deck.

You can argue whether or not the restriction is equal to the benefit and I think the argument can be made that with the new 10-drop pool the benefit isn't in line with the restriction but there is still a downside to the restriction itself.
The only downside to spiteful summoner is drawing all your spells before playing it. If you are creating your deck to benefit from the card there isnt a downside there is only the deck building restrictions you keep in mind when making it. Just like reno/kazakus. Having 1 copy of a card didnt stop those decks from being extremely strong.

Without any clear spiteful druid is a t1 deck pretty sure priest is t2 might be t3 not too sure.
Don't lose time discussing spitefull decks.

Yes, they have downsides but it feels pointless in actual metagame due to cubelock.

Any deck that goes to wide on board is a deck that will be targered by warlock removal.

People love to speak tier this,tier that. But in reality is that spitefull decks are weak as hell to that style of decks due to it's own restrictions but midrange is not exactly a easy style to play nowadays.

It is not just spitefull is OP or something like that. It is more that the metagame shaped itself in a way that benefits spitefull decks.

i'm play even shaman and sincerely?

It is a blast against that decks just because of that.
I think it was ok until the rush cards got intoduced. You just put them in the place of removal spells.

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