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01/08/2019 12:13 PMPosted by Paf
So all 3rd party apps should be built into the game or else Blizzard is evil and doesnt listen to their customers

Not asking for all 3rd party apps to be built in. I'm asking for an improvement to the squelch feature so we can turn it on and have it stick. Right now, a plug in for the deck tracker automates the player actions of clicking the enemy hero and then clicking squelch. If Blizzard has such a problem with permanently squelching emotes, they would have broken the functionality of the plug in.... and quite possibly taken action against those who have been using it. That said, if such a feature were available for mobile users, I'd be using it. I'd be a litle worried about having my account suspended, but it'd be worth it for the peace of mind to not have to squelch multiple times per match.
01/08/2019 12:13 PMPosted by Paf
So all 3rd party apps should be built into the game or else Blizzard is evil and doesnt listen to their customers

Not asking for all 3rd party apps to be built in. I'm asking for an improvement to the squelch feature so we can turn it on and have it stick. Right now, a plug in for the deck tracker automates the player actions of clicking the enemy hero and then clicking squelch. If Blizzard has such a problem with permanently squelching emotes, they would have broken the functionality of the plug in.... and quite possibly taken action against those who have been using it. That said, if such a feature were available for mobile users, I'd be using it. I'd be a litle worried about having my account suspended, but it'd be worth it for the peace of mind to not have to squelch multiple times per match.


Again with the "having to"...

Your entire contention is predicated on the fact that a manual option isn't convenient enough because you use it more frequently than anyone ever anticipated therefore it should be a toggle to remain automatic.

If Blizzard had intended squelch to be utilized as frequently as you use it I'm sure they would have made it a on/off toggle from the start.

I'll say it again. I believe it was intended to address occasional abuse, not to be permanently on.

You will say abuse is rampant and happens so often that HAVING TO squelch at the current rate is becoming severely inconvenient to press it every match.

Problem is, you don't have to. You choose to.

You can't prove this frequency.

I suspect Blizzard can detect this (maybe)

The city you live in isn't going to put a speed bump on your street because you CLAIM there is a high frequency of traffic. Even if it isn't "going to hurt anyone".

It still isn't something they want to do.
01/08/2019 12:13 PMPosted by Paf
01/08/2019 08:34 AMPosted by Sunfire
If AS was such a bad thing like a lot of posters here says, then why is not forbidden third programms that allow it? You can say all you want, but in the end, its the same as just squelching BM emoters, just that it saves the time and effort of doing in all games to the people that preffers to have social communication in social medias or IRL and uses games to have fun and play games, not to watch a guy spamm "hello" and "well play"


Why then isnt a deck tracker built in?

Hmmm. So all 3rd party apps should be built into the game or else Blizzard is evil and doesnt listen to their customers...

Thanks!


Nice try with the hate wagon but im sorry to tell you that even in wow addons is a must have and are not made by the company, there are some addons that are ilegal and others that are a vital part of the game so, whats your stance on that? If people wants something that already exist in the form of a third party program for CPU users, then why the arguments against it is that is going to change the game for the emoters if it is already there, can you explain me?
01/08/2019 01:59 PMPosted by Sunfire
01/08/2019 12:13 PMPosted by Paf
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Why then isnt a deck tracker built in?

Hmmm. So all 3rd party apps should be built into the game or else Blizzard is evil and doesnt listen to their customers...

Thanks!


Nice try with the hate wagon but im sorry to tell you that even in wow addons is a must have and are not made by the company, there are some addons that are ilegal and others that are a vital part of the game so, whats your stance on that? If people wants something that already exist in the form of a third party program for CPU users, then why the arguments against it is that is going to change the game for the emoters if it is already there, can you explain me?

Its been explained. Over and over.
And over.
Feel free to read the thread.
Well, it's hard for me, as a poster, to know the difference. Whether the spam filter ate it or a mod deleted it, the result is the same: the post disappears from the thread and is erased from my post history.


I understand and I just wanted to respond to explain the difference. If you are not finding any reason for your post to have been deleted, or if it has vanished right away, odds are that is has been sucked into the abyss. I don't remove posts just because they are not in agreeance with someone. Allowing all opinions is what creates conversation and helps to provide different perspective.
01/08/2019 03:01 PMPosted by Paf
01/08/2019 01:59 PMPosted by Sunfire
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Nice try with the hate wagon but im sorry to tell you that even in wow addons is a must have and are not made by the company, there are some addons that are ilegal and others that are a vital part of the game so, whats your stance on that? If people wants something that already exist in the form of a third party program for CPU users, then why the arguments against it is that is going to change the game for the emoters if it is already there, can you explain me?

Its been explained. Over and over.
And over.
Feel free to read the thread.


If what you said in the thread is your final explanation, then at least don't contradict your self later in the same post, because you say that your reason is one and then you unfold it yourself, what i get from all the reason you gived till now basically is "i don't like to see the other childrens happy, i like to bully and if they want to stop me at least don't make it easy for them and squelch manually every game :)" is that it?
Guys show how much you care with your wallets.

Blizzards supports the ability to troll and be annoying. So you can choose not to support them financially, if you'd like.

This thread has provided no insight to why they won't implement auto squelch. Jesse obviously can't say "because money" his masters would hound him.
01/08/2019 04:30 PMPosted by Paneross
Guys show how much you care with your wallets.

Blizzards supports the ability to troll and be annoying. So you can choose not to support them financially, if you'd like.

This thread has provided no insight to why they won't implement auto squelch. Jesse obviously can't say "because money" his masters would hound him.
That's what it should come down to with any entertainment product. Vote with your wallets dude. You are not entitled to have your every whim catered to. They are not entitled to your cash. Fair is fair. Issue is if people ARE doing this.....and no change is made......obviously you guys aren't as numerous as you claim to be. That's what irks people about this whole argument, deliberate misrepresentation. Passionate AS supporters always claim to be legion, yet 4 years in no change. Weird huh? Perhaps your numbers are smaller than you claim. Passionate AS supporters claim they HAVE to squelch every game. This is blatently false. You do not get bm'd every match. I play daily and for about 2 hours or so per day, I can go several matches with 0 player emotes, and normally if I get one at all it is 100% a personal interpretation case. I only get legit BMed every so often. I'll say maybe 1 in 10 games just to throw a number out there. If the occassional hello is a seriously upsetting experience for you the issue is with you (no offense meant, I just mean the problem lies in your personal perception). So imo heavy AS supporters are not taken seriously because very few actually care about the feature and the few that do grossly exaggerate the "problem" if there even one is to begin with.
01/08/2019 06:11 PMPosted by Hazama
not entitled to have your every whim catered to

No. We are not. But we are entitled to have this discussion in this thread in the hopes of persuading the development team to implement this enhancement. Further, we are not entitled to an explanation as to why they are refusing to do so at this time. But when the community representative, Jesse, has openly acknowledged that continually referring to a 4 year old tweet as the reasoning behind that decision is a bit of a cop out and when that community rep has said he is seeking updated and fresh comment from the dev team, I think it's perfectly reasonable to have expectations that he will deliver on that. Maybe not today. Moaybe not tomorrow. But I'm going to keep faith in Jesse and I eagerly await his post with that updated developer comment.
01/09/2019 04:17 AMPosted by autosquelch
01/08/2019 06:11 PMPosted by Hazama
not entitled to have your every whim catered to

No. We are not. But we are entitled to have this discussion in this thread in the hopes of persuading the development team to implement this enhancement. Further, we are not entitled to an explanation as to why they are refusing to do so at this time. But when the community representative, Jesse, has openly acknowledged that continually referring to a 4 year old tweet as the reasoning behind that decision is a bit of a cop out and when that community rep has said he is seeking updated and fresh comment from the dev team, I think it's perfectly reasonable to have expectations that he will deliver on that. Maybe not today. Moaybe not tomorrow. But I'm going to keep faith in Jesse and I eagerly await his post with that updated developer comment.


You are only entitled to this discussion if you can honestly and openly respect other posters, Jesse, and the dev team.

You continue to post falsehoods, including in this very post. You have been given updates, then denied being given them. You have been given reasons, then denied being given them. You have been given counterarguments by other posters, then denied being given them.

You deny them because you disagree. You deny them because you dislike the answers. But you HAVE BEEN GIVEN THEM. And until you can acknowledge that, why should Jesse or anyone on the dev team go out of their very busy way to tell you no, again? You have been told this, but it gets filtered and you don’t acknowledge it. If you claim to respect those involved, including and especially the dev team, then there is one thing you must do:

Stop. Lying.
01/09/2019 04:31 AMPosted by Mand
01/09/2019 04:17 AMPosted by autosquelch
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No. We are not. But we are entitled to have this discussion in this thread in the hopes of persuading the development team to implement this enhancement. Further, we are not entitled to an explanation as to why they are refusing to do so at this time. But when the community representative, Jesse, has openly acknowledged that continually referring to a 4 year old tweet as the reasoning behind that decision is a bit of a cop out and when that community rep has said he is seeking updated and fresh comment from the dev team, I think it's perfectly reasonable to have expectations that he will deliver on that. Maybe not today. Moaybe not tomorrow. But I'm going to keep faith in Jesse and I eagerly await his post with that updated developer comment.


You are only entitled to this discussion if you can honestly and openly respect other posters, Jesse, and the dev team.

You continue to post falsehoods, including in this very post. You have been given updates, then denied being given them. You have been given reasons, then denied being given them. You have been given counterarguments by other posters, then denied being given them.

You deny them because you disagree. You deny them because you dislike the answers. But you HAVE BEEN GIVEN THEM. And until you can acknowledge that, why should Jesse or anyone on the dev team go out of their very busy way to tell you no, again? You have been told this, but it gets filtered and you don’t acknowledge it. If you claim to respect those involved, including and especially the dev team, then there is one thing you must do:

Stop. Lying.

Mand. It would be smart to show us the proof of the exact violations you're accusing autosquelch in. Otherwise it's pretty much the pot calling kettle black situation and no one is none the wiser. At the moment you say he/she has done all these things, but how do we know that you're not lying? Huh? Because for no proof you could be considered harassing autosquelch.

Harassment takes many forms, and is not necessarily limited to the type of language used, but the intent. Repeatedly targeting a specific player with harassment can lead to more severe action. The idea behind this is to prevent any one player from consistently being uncomfortable in the forums.


I think the word "respect" is kind of losing its meaning here, being repeated over and over, and worn thin like a tiny amount of butter on a huge slice of bread or something along the lines what Bilbo said. I for starters have none. For anyone in these forums. At least in the deepest sense of the word. But I don't see it as a problem really. Because it's not what I'm after, and I try not to disrespect anyone either. For the most part.

However. I myself got suspended for a couple of days, so I guess it's a nice start to 2019.

My posts have been deleted, I'm not going to copy-paste them here again, because that would most likely end up me getting suspended again. But the fact is that I was banned for using a mild, I mean very mild, like kindergarten level mild word, that SOME people might consider inappropriate. And I was suspended just like that. No warning or anything.

Now. I my point was that if I regard some of the emotes as insults and attacks and obscene and vulgar behaviour towards myself, then why am I not allowed to censor it in game. You can do it in these forums. Why not in game? Because of the same principles as
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Why did I get suspended (Auto-Squelched)for a certain amount of time? Why not just Squelching (removing my posts)?

It's a very hypocritical behaviour and I for starters can not respect that.

That was my point of view.

The other point of view is: I have no idea if I've ever been Squelched in HS. Maybe. Probably. But I can't know for sure. How can one be sure? And the game mechanics haven't been built with the Emote feature in mind, since the emotes don't have functionality concerning the gameplay itself, one might call it even unnecessary. Hearthstone is not much of a social game. No two player game is. It's barely a step up from solitaire. Especially if the opponent doesn't really exist in a physical "arms length" distance. Might as well be A.I.
01/08/2019 01:56 PMPosted by autosquelch
01/08/2019 01:19 PMPosted by Mand
Still waiting for a response to this, Skruff. Oh, sorry, I forgot that you changed your online persona to represent your complete obsession with a “minor quality of life feature.”

Let's dial it back a notch, please. Yes, I am passionate about this feature enhancement. Can't you separate the issue from the personality?

As for the question I asked... what is the difference that you perceive between the act of me squelching you and the act of me simply not responding to your emotes, seeing as there is no indication in the game that you've ever been squelched.

And as with Blizzard, just because I don't agree with you, doesn't mean I did not read your comment. When I say I haven't seen a reason from any posters why not to implement auto-squelch, what I mean is I haven't seen a persuasive reason, and more specifically, a reason that persuades me to re-examine my position on the issue. Most every reason I've seen posted I have read and explained why I think it's not a valid argument against the feature. As for the Blizzard reasons, there have been only the two tweeted by Brode 4 years ago: sensitivity to options bloat and fear of reduced overal emote usage, both of which I have argued are not logical reasons. If you need me to re-post those arguments, let me know.


Don’t criticize the logic of a conclusion if you don’t know what logic is. It is rather easy to make a statement logical.

If cats could fly, birds would be in greater danger.

Just because cats can not fly does not mean this statement is illogical.

If too many options are added, this will lead to option bloat — this is a logical statement

If permanent squelching is enabled, emote use could suffer overall since squelch and forget (an opt out) would reduce the communication properties of emotes (we have no other in game communication properties) — logical statement again.

These are good reasons for not implementing autosquelch in my opinion. They could fix the unswuelching problem though, and make the squelch bubble appear at the beginning of the match to make it easier to opt out of emoting (would help with phones) — I think that would be perfectly reasonable. But you will never get reasonable fixes when you throw around words like ‘logic’ callously in a desperate attempt to discredit the reasons blizzard has for not implementing autosquelch.
01/09/2019 04:31 AMPosted by Mand
01/09/2019 04:17 AMPosted by autosquelch
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No. We are not. But we are entitled to have this discussion in this thread in the hopes of persuading the development team to implement this enhancement. Further, we are not entitled to an explanation as to why they are refusing to do so at this time. But when the community representative, Jesse, has openly acknowledged that continually referring to a 4 year old tweet as the reasoning behind that decision is a bit of a cop out and when that community rep has said he is seeking updated and fresh comment from the dev team, I think it's perfectly reasonable to have expectations that he will deliver on that. Maybe not today. Moaybe not tomorrow. But I'm going to keep faith in Jesse and I eagerly await his post with that updated developer comment.


You are only entitled to this discussion if you can honestly and openly respect other posters, Jesse, and the dev team.

You continue to post falsehoods, including in this very post. You have been given updates, then denied being given them. You have been given reasons, then denied being given them. You have been given counterarguments by other posters, then denied being given them.

You deny them because you disagree. You deny them because you dislike the answers. But you HAVE BEEN GIVEN THEM. And until you can acknowledge that, why should Jesse or anyone on the dev team go out of their very busy way to tell you no, again? You have been told this, but it gets filtered and you don’t acknowledge it. If you claim to respect those involved, including and especially the dev team, then there is one thing you must do:

Stop. Lying.


Please keep this on topic instead of attacking other posters, please stop trolling.
01/09/2019 09:17 AMPosted by fingrknitter
If cats could fly, birds would be in greater danger.

Just because cats can not fly does not mean this statement is illogical.

But the statement is absurd.

01/09/2019 09:17 AMPosted by fingrknitter
If too many options are added, this will lead to option bloat — this is a logical statement

But nobody has asked for "too many options". We're asking for one option. One simple checkbox reight next to the "Allow Spectate" checkbox. Easy. No bloat. They may be sensitive to options bloat. But it is absurd to suggest that adding that one little checkbox to the existing UI is bloat.

01/09/2019 09:17 AMPosted by fingrknitter
If permanent squelching is enabled, emote use could suffer overall since squelch and forget (an opt out) would reduce the communication properties of emotes (we have no other in game communication properties) — logical statement again.

Why? Other than the one rare situation where someone set auto-squelch and forgot about it, there's no reason emote usage would change at all. And I've offered suggestion on how auto-squelch could be implemented to alleviate or even avoid the situation entirely. Further, Blizzard's claim that they are concerned about reduced emote usage is contradicted by their failure to address a known botting script for PCs that automates the actions of clicking the hero and then clicking the squelch bubble. If they were concerned about it, they'd have disabled that script. Ergo, they are not really concerned that auto-squelch might result in reduced emote usage.

01/09/2019 09:17 AMPosted by fingrknitter
These are good reasons for not implementing autosquelch in my opinion

What are your thoughts after reading my counterpoints to those two reasons. Are the reasons still just as good? Why or why not?
01/09/2019 04:31 AMPosted by Mand
01/09/2019 04:17 AMPosted by autosquelch
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No. We are not. But we are entitled to have this discussion in this thread in the hopes of persuading the development team to implement this enhancement. Further, we are not entitled to an explanation as to why they are refusing to do so at this time. But when the community representative, Jesse, has openly acknowledged that continually referring to a 4 year old tweet as the reasoning behind that decision is a bit of a cop out and when that community rep has said he is seeking updated and fresh comment from the dev team, I think it's perfectly reasonable to have expectations that he will deliver on that. Maybe not today. Moaybe not tomorrow. But I'm going to keep faith in Jesse and I eagerly await his post with that updated developer comment.


You are only entitled to this discussion if you can honestly and openly respect other posters, Jesse, and the dev team.

You continue to post falsehoods, including in this very post. You have been given updates, then denied being given them. You have been given reasons, then denied being given them. You have been given counterarguments by other posters, then denied being given them.

You deny them because you disagree. You deny them because you dislike the answers. But you HAVE BEEN GIVEN THEM. And until you can acknowledge that, why should Jesse or anyone on the dev team go out of their very busy way to tell you no, again? You have been told this, but it gets filtered and you don’t acknowledge it. If you claim to respect those involved, including and especially the dev team, then there is one thing you must do:

Stop. Lying.


If you cannot keep from lobbing personal attacks, perhaps it's time for you to move on to another thread. This is from Jesse's opening post on the thread:
06/21/2018 12:31 PMPosted by Jesse Hill
Those looking to disrupt, troll, start any kind of flame war or just plain be rude will have their comments removed and possibly be actioned. If this is not a feature you support, then this may not be the thread for you. This is a feature some would like to see.

Maybe this is not the thread for you. I'm happy to read your comments, but please keep them to the issue, not the people. Thanks.
Asking you to engage in honest, respectful discussion, which requires acknowledging information even if you don’t like it, is not trolling.

Stop dodging your responsibilities as a participant in this discussion.

You also don’t get to use that quote to insist that anyone who disagrees with you doesn’t get to post here. Honestly and respectfully engaging with your critics is also a requirement of constructive discussion, again rather than ignoring that which you dislike.

A good start would be addressing the content of the post you quoted. I’ll make it even more direct:

1) Do you acknowledge that every time Jesse says “it is still not something they want to do” that that means you have been provided a current, realtime update on the status of the feature, and that he has done so numerous times over the course of this thread?

2) Do you acknowledge that reasons for not implementing AS beyond the tweet have been given by Blizzard, and have been given in this thread?

3) Do you acknowledge that posters here as well as the previous dozens of threads have also given counterarguments against the implementation of AS?

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