According to grubby, valeera is the worst hero

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I dont feel that every hero needs to be GM level viable. she may be the worst of the bunch according to grubby, but people that play at that level are rarely using heroes in the bottom 50% anyway, so really it doesnt matter which of the 15 heroes they dont use anyway is the worst. shes fun to play in QM and unranked and up until you get to a certain skill level, you can get decent use out of her in ranked as well. maybe she could use a few tweaks, but a full rework isnt really necessary.
If Blizzard stopped nerfing heroes just because they annoy noobs, maybe noobs would have to learn to deal with them and they would stop complaining after a while...
Valeera's kit is a nightmare to balance. She has so much that you can't make her too strong, or she'll dominate. But because her kit is spread out to do so much, it's easy for her to be too weak, since she'll just fall into the "jack of all trades, master of none" category.
08/12/2017 02:26 AMPosted by Kenjin
If Blizzard stopped nerfing heroes just because they annoy noobs, maybe noobs would have to learn to deal with them and they would stop complaining after a while...


Couldn't noobs just learn to play Valeera as she is instead of complaining on the forums?
Valeera still has a big HP-pool, strong teamutility and decent dmg. Recently there were problems with some bugs that ruined her, but if these are gone, she is far from the worst hero in the game.
IMO she needs a damage buff on her abilities, then she'll be okay. I feel like she was designed to be a mage crusher (like a rogue in WoW), that is if you're out of position and on your own she is GUARANTEED a kill. Now, even if you try to single out a player your chances are 50/50 at securing the kill.
How about giving her back her damage but reducing her L1 tank 2128.88 hp. At the moment she has underwhelming ability power for an assassin but incredible durability and escapes. Hope she gets a rework; I expected her to be in a similar role to Zeratul but he is flat out better at the moment. Although he is also pretty much a one ult assassin too.
Valeera actually has really strong kit and good numbers. Her problem is that she can't utilize them because of how dependent she is on stealth. The reason she only has ambush build is simple, it's the only one she can approach in stealth with as it has teleport. If you try to close in to use the stun or silence you always get shot out of stealth. They can't make teleport apply to all because she would become superior to zera in all but ultimate at that point. She would either lose power from her openers which is her core identity or she will be unbalanced one way or another pretty much.
08/11/2017 07:32 PMPosted by HailFall
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So no, people who want her buffed don't just want "free kills". There is no reason to have valeera on your team, she is garbage right now.
The Vikings are much worse... Your Grubby probably means Valeera is the worst COMPETITIVE hero to pick.
Honestly, I don't really think Grubby should be your end-all be-all source for information.

Also, Valeera's kit isn't really awful. She just needs some different choices in talents.

She's excellent for ganks but the problem is that she becomes worthless if she can't get the stealthed abilities off. Improve her ability to utilize her kit in a bigger way through allowing a cooldown restealth that can give temporary unbreakable stealth as a short cooldown or maybe change one of her ults. I think it'd be much better to remove one of her current ults and give her a utility ult to make her more viable for her team.

I'm thinking maybe drop something like her Cloak of Shadows and replace it with Shadow Dance, allowing her to use her stealth-only abilities outside of stealth for 5+ seconds. Her viability would go up a great deal if she was able to jump around with Ambushes or stun several enemies with Cheap Shot for a few seconds.
Some of valeera's talents are blatantly useless too..

Subtlety at 1 is absolute garbage and just a total noob trap talent (4 seconds is longer than valeera should ever be stealthed for).

Fatal finesse is awful. increase blade flurry's damage by 3 up to 60? 60 dmg bonus for completing a quest? What a joke.

Strangle at 13 as well. Run into enemy team to garrote the mage or something, taking a massive risk, just to reduce their spell power 25%? Garrote is mostly used on heroes with lots of mobility ilke genji and tracer in order to stop them kiting, not to reduce their spell dmg. theres no way you can safely run into the enemy team, garrote a backliner, and get out safely..
I hate the Valeera design in how she has 3 damage abilities as her basics an a 4th as one of the openers. All of them are low cooldown damage abilities that deal as much as autos of some other heroes and aren`t all that fun to use. They feel weak.

Lets see openers. You want to stun to get your team a followup kill. That one is fine.

You want the silence to disable a priority target or make a mobile hero unable to escape. That one is meh but kinda works.

You want your damage opener to set up a kill for you. It only works as a reposition after death from above. It should have the Artanis twin blade treatment (get the functionallity baseline but at reduced range). For it to work as a true opener tho it should deal damage based on current hp. Maybe with armor reducing talents. This way you deal strong damage as an opener and can followup with more.

Now about eviscerate. It`s supposed to be a finisher. If so then why do you have expose armor? It`s something you`d expect on an opener not finisher. Finishers are supposed to get kills right? It should deal more damage based on missing hp and get bonuses from stuns, slows and roots.

In short. Her abilities are bland and just deal flat damage. Ambush should deal extra damage to heroes near full hp, so it could work as an opener. Eviscerate should deal extra damage to heroes below 25% hp so it`s a true finisher.
She is a garbage hero.

There's far too many characters that reveal stealth in this game for stealth to even have an impact. Any decent team will easily control a Valeera / Nova / Samuro because they don't offer anything to a team BESIDES damage, and they get easily shut down by the amount of mechanics that reveal stealth. You may get a win when you play those heroes, but it's because the enemy was so unskilled not because of the character's potential.

Zeratul on the other hand at least has void prism which makes killing him fairly challenging. He has just as much damage as the other stealth picks, AND he brings utility. The option is pretty clear when choosing a stealth hero. If they reduce the amount of stealth revealing heroes, then MAYBE the other stealth heroes can be played. However, until that happens (and Tassadars reveal mechanic gets nerfed) there's no point in picking any stealth other than Zeratul.
08/12/2017 09:47 AMPosted by Cesium
She is a garbage hero.

There's far too many characters that reveal stealth in this game for stealth to even have an impact. Any decent team will easily control a Valeera / Nova / Samuro because they don't offer anything to a team BESIDES damage, and they get easily shut down by the amount of mechanics that reveal stealth. You may get a win when you play those heroes, but it's because the enemy was so unskilled not because of the character's potential.

Zeratul on the other hand at least has void prism which makes killing him fairly challenging. He has just as much damage as the other stealth picks, AND he brings utility. The option is pretty clear when choosing a stealth hero. If they reduce the amount of stealth revealing heroes, then MAYBE the other stealth heroes can be played. However, until that happens (and Tassadars reveal mechanic gets nerfed) there's no point in picking any stealth other than Zeratul.


The real reason Zeratul's the best stealther is, ironically enough, that he is least reliant on stealth. Reveal him with a damaging ability and he loses nothing; he still has all of his damage, utility and mobility.
Reveal Samuro before he reaches his intended target and he is useless; he does not have any other options to close the gap and has no utility to compensate.
Unstealth Valeera and she loses her opener, which in turn not only disables her CC or gapcloser but also severely reduces damage she deals once she gets on the target due to relying on openers to build combo points.
Nova has zero escape tools and her clone is useless if you reveal her; if she's revealed while outnumbered she's dead.

And yes, there is no reason to pick stealth heroes except Zeratul unless you really like playing them; when compared to Valeera Zeratul has more burst, much better mobility, insane utility which he can use even outside of stealth, sustain and - just to add insult to injury - can pick Rewind at level 20 in order to reliably kill targets in a single combo, which you might recognize as a thing Valera lost because "it felt horrible to get one-shot by something you didn't see coming.

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