So, what's the deal with Platinum? (Hero League)

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So, I was recently placed in Platinum 1 this season despite reaching and maintaining Diamond 1 last season (Really don't understand this but whatever) and lately the experience I've had on this game, in Hero League specifically, has honestly been the most unpleasant gaming experience of my life. While I have heard it's more or less the same in every rank tier, even including Diamond and Master, Platinum has to be the worst of the worst.

I mean, my God, this has to be the definition of true hell in this game. Almost every game is exactly the same scenario; A complete and utter ****show. Your Team either stomps or gets stomped, every game more or less consists of the same players in every single game, zero thought put into draft, sharing opinions suddenly leads to toxicity from others and being flamed by the entire friendly team, immediate 'gg' calls either in draft, or barely a minute into the game. The list just goes on and on.

I will say this is somewhat of a spontaneous rant as I'm currently on a massive losing streak regardless of what I do as an individual and I'm just at a loss. I essentially consider myself a model teammate when it comes to anything in this game; I watch the minimap 24/7 and ping accordingly to potentially cover the positional mistakes made by my teammates, I'm always willing to fill any role necessary to round out my team's comp, as well as strategically counterpick against the enemy team to offer my team the best chances of winning etc. but I'm simply met with the very issues I mentioned in my previous paragraph.

Now I personally believe teamwork is the true key to winning in this game. However, my teammates don't appear to share the same opinion. Almost nothing in these games I speak of resembles anything even close to what I consider 'teamwork' to be. It's just...nonexistent.

I may be mistaken but I would like to believe that Blizzard has advertised Hero League as being 'The competitive game mode in Heroes of the Storm!' and I'm just having trouble seeing and experiencing what exactly is 'competitive' about ranked mode in this bracket or is it meant to be 'The competitive game mode in Heroes of the Storm!...After you reach Grand Master!'

Thoughts?
i havn't placed ranked yet this season but hearing you say that does have me worried i would hate to be back in plat myself. honest there are a lot of snow flakes on this game,if someone drafts !@#$ its best to pose your disdain as a question ." is it a good idea to go nova 1st pick?" and if they do it anyways,then at least you prevented them from getting toxic.

just gotta tuff it out i guess.
So, I was recently placed in Platinum 1 this season despite reaching and maintaining Diamond 1 last season (Really don't understand this but whatever) and lately the experience I've had on this game, in Hero League specifically, has honestly been the most unpleasant gaming experience of my life. While I have heard it's more or less the same in every rank tier, even including Diamond and Master, Platinum has to be the worst of the worst.

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Thoughts?


I think it is mostly related to two things:

1. QM MMR seeding.
2. Being too close to high leagues.

I will explain it further:

1. When you play HL for the first time your HL MMR is being seeded from QM MMR which is used by so called 'smurfs' to boost their HL MMR. Thus smurfs can abuse QM and get placed too high for their skill level (i.e. Gold 3 player in Diamond 3).

2. In previous seasons smurf could be placed up to Diamond 3 and slowly go into Platinum league. Due to this, it is likely that Platinum league have accumulated the most of misplaced players who slowly go down.
Oh , my sweet summer child.
You have no idea. Take a dive into Gold league and then we talk again.
(somehow this got double-posted while editing and I can't delete this for some reason)
09/18/2017 01:55 AMPosted by Imposibro
1. QM MMR seeding.
2. Being too close to high leagues.


It's actually much simpler than that. Since the reduction of diamond league size (2016 s3, it was halved), half of the diamond population were put into platinum (their mmr didn't change, they became platinum, because they were on the lower end of diamond, which was reduced in size) and they just can't get over it. They believe they *deserve* to be diamond, they got slighted and pour all that frustration into their games. I think, that's the main reason why platinum game quality is still the worst one of all (I'm not saying it's hard to win games in plat - it's not - but the games are just not fun at all). (Coincidentally, I played a smurf from bronze to diamond around 16s3-17s1 and I saw the games on all levels, I can attest that platinum was by far the worst at that time). The effect is waning as seasons go on, but I think 3 seasons is not enough for everyone to realise that they are where they belong and there is nothing wrong with that. I would say that's an extreme case of your point 2, which also has an effect of course, but definitely not as pronounced as this.
QM mmr seeding has little effect on plat or diamond, as randomly getting a too high rank is not as easy as a lot of ppl tend to think (even winning a lot of qm games with a good group still requires good performance in placement).

P.S. I play EU and I played my smurf on EU too (so take my reasoning with a grain of salt, if you play NA, as it may be totally different). I dabble sometimes in NA (400 games NA vs 8k games EU) and from this limited experience, I would say game quality (not skill level, which is very similar for similar ranks, but overall game experience) in NA is worse all over the spectrum (my mmr dropped over the seasons due to resets and inactivity, so I got to play in diamond-gold here too). Draft dodging is much more common, 'weird' hero tolerance is much lower and results in thrown games more often too just to name a few points that are worse in NA (although again, I haven't played that many games, and I may have just been unlucky).

09/18/2017 12:53 AMPosted by Ascension
So, I was recently placed in Platinum 1 this season despite reaching and maintaining Diamond 1


It seems they overdid the soft reset this season by a mile. I got placed a full league lower too after 5-5 in placements. Now i'm winning >70% of my games going back up, which I don't mind, but should normally not happen.

09/18/2017 02:30 AMPosted by PrivateJoker
Oh , my sweet summer child.
You have no idea. Take a dive into Gold league and then we talk again.


Funnily enough, I thought gold games were actually the best ones (not counting master-gm; >master2k points are my favorite games overall) in terms of enjoyment and ppl being more relaxed, that I had on my smurf (of course the skill level is gold and mistakes were gold and the games were prolonged as ppl rarely know how to finish them, but that should not matter to a gold player, as he would be gold among gold - he would be getting better game experience than a plat player among plats).
I've seen guys with thousands of HL games and they still dumb as F.
It's too easy to go from promotions into ranks like diamond or platinum. That is the issue. Nobody who had a good early streak in QM should be placed into a division like Diamond 4. It's a horrible system which also encourages smurfing.

Ranks are very uncompetitive until ~Diamond 2. You can't really tell anything of a players skill below that point.

There are incredible platinum 1's who grinded there through hard work and skill, and there are diamond 5's who don't know what "soak" means or die repeatedly in early game.

That makes ranked less fun to play. Some of the 'higher' ranks come way too easily with placements. People with lucky streaks in unranked or qm do not deserve to be placed into high leagues. You should only rank up by beating other people solo in ranked.
I'm at Plat 3. After finished my replacement match I got matched agains't teammates that wanted to play Abathur badly. I checked his profile and see him as a lv129 player or something with abathur at lv5. He was still in placement.

So Platinum isn't something I feel much proud about (for myself)...nothing to be proud....
meh, i'm going to be placed there too aswell soon... always floated between Gold 2 and Plat 3 HL... i fear to start this season and i'll probably just play the 10 placements and move on to TL asap
it doesn't get any better. HL Matchmaking sucks no matter what division.
Totally same thing happened to me one season before the last one. I was always master, then I played my placement matches with first time HL players between 85-150 player levels. I was placed to p2, then climbed back to diamond and had a huge lose streak. I used to share my thoughts and plans with my teammates but plats report/flame for that. They don't want to cooperate, just do whatever they want. I ended up silenced and didn't play after the penalty, nay, skipped the next season as well. I don't want to be the part of a system which throws you into a sh.thole, even you don't deserve it. I don't think that can be possible when one day I compete with masters, then I suddenly forget how to play the game. If you play a lot, you can climb back, but does it worth the nervous breakdown? I don't think so. This game isn't fun anymore.

Rank doesn't mean anything. A diamond player can be a stucked master or a lucky silver with new account. I have lot of master and a few GM bnet friends and 2 of the TL GMs are terrible goldlike idiots (both HL master, I have no idea how XD) and saw pretty good high golds in QM. I used to see a 3500 MMR duo in UD. Never lost to them, because they are terrible, and still they have high MMR. Sometimes you have to play 200 matches to get at master from d3 500 with negative PRA, sometimes you do it in a day. It's a lottery. I started to play this game, because there was no rng and luck, like in WoW and Hearthstone. I was wrong. You have to be lucky to not get matched with potatoes :D
I wish I had an answer. I avoid HL these days and mostly play QM where I'm Plat. I'm frequently the highest MMR member of my teams, and consistently the most non-constructive arrogant shot-callers who tend to flame are the lowest or nearly lowest MMR on the team.

Match-making is kinda screwy, no doubt. But in theory, having a mixture of ranks shouldn't automatically mean a loss if everyone adopted your team player mindset and was open to hearing and executing new ideas. It's the arrogance and immaturity of many players that ruins the experience and makes the climb harder in all ways.

I feel as you get climb higher the pressure to perform leads some people to stress out in the wrong ways and actually undermine their own success, which is a general human tendency. Blizzard could fix MMR, and I believe they're working on it, but people could also just be better.
Dears,
I have about the same experience. I feel like there is a huge skill - gap between plat 1/2 and Dia 4/5. In my opinion, there are a few reasons for it. For example:

- Normally you just simply can't, or at least it's quite hard, reach a high Level of gameplay with a toxic attitude. I think high Platinum is the highest reachable rank for Players with a plenty of experience but also with a huge amount of saltiness.

- Platin is the average Division of the game. Means, it has the biggest playerbase.

- As already mentioned in my first point, there are players with a good amount of experiance. Something between beginner and Veteran. Many of These Players wont listen to any advice, because they actually think they are experienced. In fact These Players may have a good Micro playstyle. Unfortunately micro is just 50% of heroes of the storm. The other 50% is the macro Play. ( Map awareness, positioning, camp or boss Timing and so on. ) For example: Giving calls to attack the enemy team when your team-lvl is 13 against 16. Guess who is the noob when you dont participate the fight and soaking botlane instead?

I tried different things. Giving calls is mostly ignored by the "self-called high experienced" players. Just ignoring them also ends up in a desaster. So I think it's still the best to always stay positiv, try to take over the lead with a friendly attitude. It's just so hard when you're tired and pissed from work :D

All in all I think the solution is: No matter when, no matter what, ALWAYS stay positiv and friendly. I'm sure the our game experience will be positively affected and we will also gain a lot of mental strengh :) Most of the players will appreciate a good attitude.
Bronze -> Plat = all the same.

It's like they just randomly put people between blonze and plat. You don't see any skill difference at all.
Ranked games this close to season reset are always a disaster. It’ll mellow out a bit around two weeks after the new season starts.
I’m low Plat-High Gold and what OP describes really isn’t different for the rest of us. Bad drafts, bad macro, bad micro, it’s all there.

It’s just what level you consider to be bad that changes. Silver and bronze players don’t watch the minimap and position poorly. They also don’t get macro. Plat and Gold, do his much better, but tend to draft like crap.

Because their understanding and micro is better, they can actually win games using suboptimal heroes and strategies, which tends to make matches much more of a total random crapshoot when they do it again the next game. Which makes it harder to climb of course because there’s no consistency.

Of course what can be considered good postioning and drafting in Plat is totally different than Masters. For example, Genji is not often seen in Plat. However, Nazeebo is in every match. Why? Because it works. Most Plat players don’t play Genji well enough and the team coordination is so bad, he’s not opressive. Whereas It’s really easy to stall a game to 20 for Nazeebo and then win, because Plat Golds don’t know how to push an advantage and win the game.
I've gone Diamond -> Bronze 5 (0 rank pts) this season, and even in Bronze it's all there: great draft, perfect picks, excellent communication, positive team spirit, great micro, great macro. Most matches are a random show tough.
09/18/2017 12:53 AMPosted by Ascension
Now I personally believe teamwork is the true key to winning in this game. However, my teammates don't appear to share the same opinion. Almost nothing in these games I speak of resembles anything even close to what I consider 'teamwork' to be. It's just...nonexistent.


So I personally stopped playing Ranked because I no longer enjoyed the mode. The reasons for it are pretty much extrapolates of what you said, not seeing improvements in the matchmaking, having to deal with bad teammates, complete mismatches, Master league not feeling any better than Gold etc. Therefore I don't know about the current state of ranked, but what I can tell you is that since 2.0 the matchmaker has been worse for every season and I felt like it always worked against me.

Untill I got this one handy trick that sent me straight to Master's!

That being said, I'm not even kidding. Here is my personal tip on what brought me from permanent Plat 1 - Diamond 3 straight to Master in one season:
stop trying to be a model teammate. It is going to bring you nowhere.

I got this very tip from someone else and it worked like a wonder. I was just like you, always filling, always doing what is best for the team, but while that is the right attitude to play this game, it is not the right attitude to climb the ladder. It is not the right attitude to maintain a winrate that is going to get you to the skill level where you belong or want to be. Because HL is not about who is the best player, it is about who can manipulate their odds at winning a game the best to increase their W/L ratio in order to gather the most points to climb.

I'm not telling you to become toxic / afk/ or a one trick, but on the other hand I kind of am telling you to become a one trick. I one tricked Valla into Master. I stopped playing support, I was good at it, but having bad teammates meant I wasn't going to influence the outcome of the game enough. Even with bad teammates, as Valla I could nearly always guarantee a victory simply by dishing out enough damage to at least kill two enemies and it worked like a charm. I stopped playing tank or specialist, despite those being my best roles, because I knew my teammates could be bad and if they didn't follow up on my engage I would do maybe the best engage in the world but if my damage dealers weren't paying attention we still lose.

Ask yourself, why is that annoying Murky one trick in Master's? Because he can influence the game enough to give him a 60% winrate. If he gets a bad draft or the team gets mad? He just disconnects or takes the loss. He doesn't care about your winrate, as long as his personal winrate remains high. He takes the losses, he keeps screwing up his teammates untill his teammates adapt to him and make the comp work, which will happen 60% of the time because people don't want to lose, and voila he gets to be a Master Murky player.

My advice is to take one, maybe two or three heroes. No more. You one trick them a week straight into quick match and unranked and only draft those. You keep playing them untill everything is in your muscle memory and you start the one trick in HL. It's a sad world where you have to screw over your teammates, and in a certain way not even being good at this game (how can you be a 'master' if you can only play one hero correct?!?) in order to climb the HL ladder, but it is the truth. How many GM's aren't one tricks? They either one trick assassins, or tanks, or sometimes supports, but they all one trick. That's the secret, MASTER a hero, become MASTER league worthy with it.

I wouldn't promote this if it didn't work for me. Personally, this is also why I stopped playing Ranked. I did everything to get to play next to the entire hero roster well and my reward was maybe Diamond 3. One week of one tricking got me to Master and I can guarantee you that if I could grind out the games I could become at least +5000 points, maybe even GM. This was such a desillusion for me on what a true Master player should be, that I stopped liking the game mode.

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