Limit Stealth Characters to 1 per Team

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Was playing on Volskaya on QM and there's a 2 person party that chose to play as Valeera and Nova, so by the glory of matchmaking we don't have any counters and the whole match becomes a joke. Saddest part is that the other 3 enemies were not even that good and relied on this cheap exploit for the carry. When the match started we immediately had people type "GG Cancer" and leave as well. Amazing job on matchmaking team.
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QM needs to be removed from the game, Unranked Draft should be the default
12/28/2017 06:00 PMPosted by OffsideRush
Amazing job on matchmaking team.


You realize that the matchmaker already limits stealth heroes to 1 per team, right? But you can't expect Blizzard to suddenly tell people certain party compositions are off-limits in QM. Particularly given that 1) QM is focused around playing whatever hero you want, and 2) Blizzard wants people to group up.
12/28/2017 06:23 PMPosted by LaviGod1
QM needs to be removed from the game, Unranked Draft should be the default


Either that or blizzard needs to come out and say, we will not balance for QM, the mode is for quick games.
12/28/2017 06:23 PMPosted by LaviGod1
QM needs to be removed from the game, Unranked Draft should be the default
If they remove QM hots will actually die why is that so difficult to understand. Yes it is bad and yes it is not the "correct" mode, but it is the most popular one.
Removing it will cause a lot of people to leave and judging by recent decisions the revenue hots is generating is not up to what Blizzard is hoping given the gem only skin thing.
If you remove the most popular mode even more of that revenue will be gone.
12/28/2017 06:23 PMPosted by LaviGod1
QM needs to be removed from the game, Unranked Draft should be the default


Why do you care if there is a mode that you don't choose to play so that people are forced to play a mode you do prefer.

Thats just a bad idea all around. If you don't like QM don't play it, don't like VS AI don't play it, don't like HL don't play it. Thats what makes this game great is that there are like 7 ways to play it and that doesn't even include custom games.
12/28/2017 08:02 PMPosted by MrFizzbin761
12/28/2017 06:23 PMPosted by LaviGod1
QM needs to be removed from the game, Unranked Draft should be the default


Why do you care if there is a mode that you don't choose to play so that people are forced to play a mode you do prefer.

Thats just a bad idea all around. If you don't like QM don't play it, don't like VS AI don't play it, don't like HL don't play it. Thats what makes this game great is that there are like 7 ways to play it and that doesn't even include custom games.


The problem is that QM balance cries effect every other mode, just look at how bad stealth heroes were before the change because they were oppressive in QM.
12/28/2017 11:15 PMPosted by Werbs

The problem is that QM balance cries effect every other mode, just look at how bad stealth heroes were before the change because they were oppressive in QM.
Did you read the topic at all? You can not go "Muh hero balance" when OP just asked for QM matchmaking to not allow to stealthers on the same team. The only actual hero balance change that was ever done due to QM was Valeera before the stealth rework.
Yes there are people who ask for balancing for QM, noone in this thread did, go be angry in the threads that ask for that not something unrelated.
12/28/2017 06:23 PMPosted by LaviGod1
QM needs to be removed from the game, Unranked Draft should be the default


Which would make UR to the same mode as QM. Ppl would play what they want. They do this now already. UR is basically just QM with the chance to get less stealthers. If ppl want to play Gazlowe, they pick him in UR anyway, no matter if the team needed a healer.
12/28/2017 11:36 PMPosted by Derpanite
12/28/2017 11:15 PMPosted by Werbs

The problem is that QM balance cries effect every other mode, just look at how bad stealth heroes were before the change because they were oppressive in QM.
Did you read the topic at all? You can not go "Muh hero balance" when OP just asked for QM matchmaking to not allow to stealthers on the same team. The only actual hero balance change that was ever done due to QM was Valeera before the stealth rework.
Yes there are people who ask for balancing for QM, noone in this thread did, go be angry in the threads that ask for that not something unrelated.


12/28/2017 11:36 PMPosted by Derpanite
The only actual hero balance change that was ever done due to QM was Valeera before the stealth rework.


Are you insane? Nova was nerfed and reworked repeatedly due to QM cries. Several heroes were nerfed and changed due to QM. Murky was changed and reworked, Butcher was reworked, as you said Valeera was reworked, Tracer got her rewind reworked because of QM, Sylvanas got nerfed then reworked, Chen got nerfed multiple times, Li Li got reworked, and Illidan got nerfed all because of problems they brought in due to no counters in Quick match. QM is a plague on balance.
12/29/2017 12:15 AMPosted by Werbs
<span class="truncated">...</span>Did you read the topic at all? You can not go "Muh hero balance" when OP just asked for QM matchmaking to not allow to stealthers on the same team. The only actual hero balance change that was ever done due to QM was Valeera before the stealth rework.
Yes there are people who ask for balancing for QM, noone in this thread did, go be angry in the threads that ask for that not something unrelated.


12/28/2017 11:36 PMPosted by Derpanite
The only actual hero balance change that was ever done due to QM was Valeera before the stealth rework.


Are you insane? Nova was nerfed and reworked repeatedly due to QM cries. Several heroes were nerfed and changed due to QM. Murky was changed and reworked, Butcher was reworked, as you said Valeera was reworked, Tracer got her rewind reworked because of QM, Sylvanas got nerfed then reworked, Chen got nerfed multiple times, Li Li got reworked, and Illidan got nerfed all because of problems they brought in due to no counters in Quick match. QM is a plague on balance.
Even IF all those had been nerfed due to QM and not hero league which was the actual reason. How the F does that relate to what Op asked for again?
12/28/2017 07:39 PMPosted by Derpanite
Yes it is bad and yes it is not the "correct" mode, but it is the most popular one.

And that's a problem, because QM is by definition impossible to balance. So we need to figure out a way to move people away from QM and into UD/HL.
12/29/2017 12:26 AMPosted by Crimson
12/28/2017 07:39 PMPosted by Derpanite
Yes it is bad and yes it is not the "correct" mode, but it is the most popular one.

And that's a problem, because QM is by definition impossible to balance. So we need to figure out a way to move people away from QM and into UD/HL.
That will be difficult, I have many friends mostly from my wow guild who do not care for draft at all, for the games they play they like the no pressure setup of QM and no matter how often I tell them that draft is better when they get frustrated at teamcomps they still want to play QM simply to play whatever hero they feel like without having to worry about what the enemy team/their own team picked. I agree that QM balancing is pretty much impossible but unless they replace it with another "no pressure play what you like" mode many will not touch hots again if they remove it, while that does not affect people who only play ranked and unranked directly it affects the game itself in a negative way.
12/29/2017 12:31 AMPosted by Derpanite
12/29/2017 12:26 AMPosted by Crimson
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And that's a problem, because QM is by definition impossible to balance. So we need to figure out a way to move people away from QM and into UD/HL.
That will be difficult, I have many friends mostly from my wow guild who do not care for draft at all, for the games they play they like the no pressure setup of QM and no matter how often I tell them that draft is better when they get frustrated at teamcomps they still want to play QM simply to play whatever hero they feel like without having to worry about what the enemy team/their own team picked. I agree that QM balancing is pretty much impossible but unless they replace it with another "no pressure play what you like" mode many will not touch hots again if they remove it, while that does not affect people who only play ranked and unranked directly it affects the game itself in a negative way.


It's simple, make Unranked the "Default" mode, up the minimum free to play heroes to 14 (16 if they add a 3rd ban) UNLOCK QM after player level 50 as a "Fun mode" and state that they will not balance for QM like they don't for brawl.
12/28/2017 06:19 PMPosted by bigred
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We had a quitter 2 seconds in because of it no wonder we are going to get rekt, L2Read.
It is already the case unless you queue as a group.
12/30/2017 12:23 AMPosted by OffsideRush
12/28/2017 06:19 PMPosted by bigred
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We had a quitter 2 seconds in because of it no wonder we are going to get rekt, L2Read.


Having 2 stealth on a team does not = instant loss. Especially after the changes.

Absolute fact that you were more negatively impacted by the quitter than the opposing team's comp.

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