Heroes that need nerfs

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FENIX, li li ,thrall, nazeebo.

These 4 heroes are very popular with unhealthy win rates(healthy being 47.5%-52.5% IMO).

These 4 heroes have over 10 K games played so more than enough data(except fenix at 5 k though he is still 1st pick 1st ban and clearly broken).

3 of these heroes have been broken and Overpowered for months on end, why is blizzard not fixing the problem?
I would say they better be removed from the game so you can be happy about it. They're not in need for nerfs ! Take counters, use teamwork and they're history.
04/30/2018 09:53 AMPosted by Xardas
I would say they better be removed from the game so you can be happy about it. They're not in need for nerfs ! Take counters, use teamwork and they're history.


Fenix could use some nerfs. I"m not going to deny he feels like a crutch character when I play him. It's so silly how dominating he is when someone who has at least half a brain decides to play him.
Li li needs a nerf? If anything she needs a buff. Her w(serpent) is by far one of the worse base abilities in this game. Everything is auto selected for her so you need to learn how to move your self so that you hit the right targets. Also she needs to be taking damage all the time for her trait to go off.
Well do those characters need nerfs? Or do other characters need buffs?
(expect Fenix possibly)

Not too long ago that Thrall and Li-li were considered not good, and Nazeebo has nerfed in the past couple months.
04/30/2018 09:53 AMPosted by Xardas
I would say they better be removed from the game so you can be happy about it. They're not in need for nerfs ! Take counters, use teamwork and they're history.


Funny how I never saw u say the same about tracer. I'm guessing you main one of those 4 heroes ?
pls explain what nerfs li li needs, i just want to understand
Medivh needs some hard core nerfing. He has become an abomination.
04/30/2018 10:34 AMPosted by FloxyTek
pls explain what nerfs li li needs, i just want to understand

It's really just the level 1 serpent talent. Blizzard gave it an insane buff last balance patch and they need to undo it. Right now Li Li can walk right up to Greymane and just crush him. It's actually ridiculous.

She's still not going to be in tournaments because they're in a stunlock/burst meta and Li Li isn't built for that, but in HL she's overpowered.

Diablo also needs nerfs, he's the highest winrate, highest popularity tank by a significant margin.

Maiev, Thrall, and Genji could all use further nerfs as well.
These 4 heroes have over 10 K games played so more than enough data(except fenix at 5 k though he is still 1st pick 1st ban and clearly broken).
I see what u did there
04/30/2018 10:44 AMPosted by Crimson
04/30/2018 10:34 AMPosted by FloxyTek
pls explain what nerfs li li needs, i just want to understand

It's really just the level 1 serpent talent. Blizzard gave it an insane buff last balance patch and they need to undo it. Right now Li Li can walk right up to Greymane and just crush him. It's actually ridiculous.

She's still not going to be in tournaments because they're in a stunlock/burst meta and Li Li isn't built for that, but in HL she's overpowered.


Not many people are taking the serpent talent. Now if hots log is worth anything the serpent does show to have a higher win rate but the fact of the matter is that it has such a small game sample that's it's almost worthless to look into. That and there are people that will only upload wins for them self's so hots log is not a good measurement on win percents of a given talent.

Li li also has the issue of mana at the start of the game till around mid-late game and free drinks is needed way more than a blind/20%slow (if talented) for two seconds.
04/30/2018 10:55 AMPosted by Sparks
. That and there are people that will only upload wins for them self's so hots log is not a good measurement on win percents of a given talent.


People only uploading wins shouldn't really matter for that, as people on both sides of the game can upload. Even if the Li Li players (or their allies) don't upload their losses with a certain talent, their opponents will upload the times they beat Li Li's using that talent.
Hanzo/Fenix/Malf/Stukov those four need little nerfs because they are too dominant and replaced a lot of other heroes.
04/30/2018 09:49 AMPosted by XV88
FENIX
Meh, maybe some tuning.

04/30/2018 09:49 AMPosted by XV88
li li
Wut?

04/30/2018 09:49 AMPosted by XV88
thrall
Wut?

04/30/2018 09:49 AMPosted by XV88
nazeebo
Meh.
04/30/2018 09:49 AMPosted by XV88
FENIX, li li ,thrall, nazeebo.

These 4 heroes are very popular with unhealthy win rates(healthy being 47.5%-52.5% IMO).

These 4 heroes have over 10 K games played so more than enough data(except fenix at 5 k though he is still 1st pick 1st ban and clearly broken).

3 of these heroes have been broken and Overpowered for months on end, why is blizzard not fixing the problem?


Fenix was already nerfed a decent amount. blinds still shut down all of his damage aside from plasma cutter and his ult and being CC'ed when his shields are low or already down is a guaranteed kill. he's still strong but simply nerfing him further will just make him BAD or mediocre.

LiLi is fine the way she is. she's hitting like a 52% winrate in master league with around a 13% pickrate.

Thrall is simply very popular because of crash lightning/thunderstorm allowing him to actually deal solid poke damage. even so, he's not blasting away grand masters or pros.

I'm assuming that Nazeebo was meant 100% as a joke? he's the only specialist (not named medivh) who sees a respectable amount of play and that's largely because of the damage he can dish out with toads (especially since it gives him powerful area denial on maps like dragon shire, volskaya, etc).

Even then, at pro level, he has very little usage.
04/30/2018 09:49 AMPosted by XV88
IMO
04/30/2018 11:31 AMPosted by UncleGanon

Fenix was already nerfed a decent amount. blinds still shut down all of his damage aside from plasma cutter and his ult and being CC'ed when his shields are low or already down is a guaranteed kill. he's still strong but simply nerfing him further will just make him BAD or mediocre.


Fenix has a winrate of 55% including plebs which is ways too high. For reference Hanzo sits at 47%. There is literally nothing Fenix is bad at. Including solo-laning and out-sustaining because of shield regeneration and no mana.
fenix could use a nerf , others are fine
Yet another argument based solely on the existence of hotslogs. Until Blizzard releases actual will rates of heroes there win rate arguments have very little backing. Cho'Gall for example shows up as 100% win rate from time to time, then the next week drops to 2%.
04/30/2018 11:51 AMPosted by aubergine
04/30/2018 11:31 AMPosted by UncleGanon

Fenix was already nerfed a decent amount. blinds still shut down all of his damage aside from plasma cutter and his ult and being CC'ed when his shields are low or already down is a guaranteed kill. he's still strong but simply nerfing him further will just make him BAD or mediocre.


Fenix has a winrate of 55% including plebs which is ways too high. For reference Hanzo sits at 47%. There is literally nothing Fenix is bad at. Including solo-laning and out-sustaining because of shield regeneration and no mana.


Hanzo has a low winrate because people in hero league pick him when they shouldn't and then use him wrong. it's the same thing that happens to Genji.

Fenix just so happens to be easier to play.

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