Why is Sylvanas considered bad?

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09/17/2018 09:29 AMPosted by Scriabin
shes one of the most high skillcaped heroes atm. Which means, most ppl cant handle it and just waste a lot of potetial.


09/17/2018 10:22 AMPosted by Onslaught
She still used at higher level play. But like The Butcher, and other struggling heroes you'll need a good comp built around them.


She barely gets touched in high level play because of how little she provides. Her popularity is around 5% so right next to Lucio in the land of forgotten heroes. Even Illidan sees way more play despite being considered one of worst heroes in the game currently in master.
Her teamfight potential is meh and her structure disable niche got nerfed with a tiny compensation (+5 AA dmg). She can still win with the very first objective if a team knows what to do (had a 5:30 game with her recently). Anyway, there are more relyable specialists to chose from so that's why Sylv is not much popular.
09/17/2018 06:11 AMPosted by Darak
09/17/2018 02:13 AMPosted by Scriabin
Is it because a large part of the playerbase just play the hero poorly or whats the thing with it?


Probably. 95% of those Sylvanas players just afk split push all game and never help the team making you lose the match for being always in a 4 v 5. Even if you do get the objective, they don't even care to push with it, which is probably the best thing a Sylvanas player can do. Shutting down the towers/fort/keep with a punisher/immortal/zerg wave/whatever is huge because it makes the objective have much more value.

Also, in ranked, people usually draft her in maps that doesn't make sense, like cursed hollow, tower of doom, sky temple.. those maps doesn't have a objective you can use to push with her. Also, bad choices of talents hurt a lot with her. Like, I saw players on BoE not going for barber shot which gives 200% bonus damage against the immortal. She has a really good race if you take this talent and later you just push with the immortal for max value and secure the fort/keep making your chances of winning much higher.

Literally, what really hurts her are bad players playing her really bad.

sounds like the majority of v.s. ai hammers, and sylvanas players.
Syl is got one build and I would argue that she is still viable, and can be welcomed to the meta, with the hanamura rework. soloing the bruisers is a huge advantage. E grants unstoppable, w still provides massive wave clearing and hero damage, just roll with what words such as:
minion kills grant a free q on minions, w cooldown, arrow, and w heal heals against the minions, just avoid trap talents like mind control minions.
Lately it seems like there are some heroes that ppl often start to complain over if you prepick them in the draft.


yea? instalocking garbage heroes in draft is a great way to get reported, lose games AND get people to just hate you. nobody wants to see an instalock Butcher or Chen regardless of the MMR you play at. I'm hoping you didn't come here looking for sympathy because you instalocked a crap hero, ignored your team and got reported.

One obvious old one is Nova, another one is Butcher. But still skilled players can wreck enemys with those heroes.
you seem to be confused here. you CAN win games with nova and butcher but they are so bad that "skilled players" often don't pick them at all, much less instalock them.

But whats up with Sylvanas? Is it because a large part of the playerbase just play the hero poorly or whats the thing with it?


no, the good ol "it's definitely because most players suck" excuse stops working when Master League players and Pro players pretty much never use a hero. Sylvanas received a sizable nerf to her trait due to low skill players complaining about it, making it much harder for her to approach structures (Making her push much worse). on top of that, while she can destroy minion waves pretty quickly, her lack of inherent self sustain and mediocre dueling makes solo laning very difficult.
I honestly had hoped that with the nerf to hr trait, that they would buff her team fight - and they didn't really. They gave her like 1 pt of aa damage or something, which isn't really any compensation for what she's lost.
To put it simply: She’s not really all that good at anything.

Her push and minion clear is slow, she can grab mercs safely but slowly, she doesn’t have the sustain to compete in laning, her dps and durability are too low to be worth much in a team fight. She is maneuverable in them, yes, but doesn’t really contribute much outside of her heroics. Which require a proper team to capitalize on them, in which case there are better things to build your team around.
She can take out buildings safely, true, but too slowly to prevent any competent team from forcing her away before she does much.

She can be a high skill cap hero, but even at the highest skill she’s just OK.
She really needs a damage or durability buff, the ‘Master of None’ bit just means people skip over her to grab a more specialized hero.

The question isn’t why not take Sylvanas, it’s why take Sylvanas?
09/17/2018 02:13 AMPosted by Scriabin
Hi gamers!

Lately it seems like there are some heroes that ppl often start to complain over if you prepick them in the draft. One obvious old one is Nova, another one is Butcher. But still skilled players can wreck enemys with those heroes.

But whats up with Sylvanas? Is it because a large part of the playerbase just play the hero poorly or whats the thing with it?


If you're ahead she can put you farther ahead, if you're behind she's dead weight.

Most bad sylvs ruin her reputation they go off in a lane and just pew pew pew, feeding to good teams. Bad sylvs also don't understand that her value is to push with pushing objectives on pushing maps like Spider Queen, Shrines and BOT (Battlefield of Eternity), Haunted Mines or Hanamura if she takes merc queen and stays with the samurai.

Bad sylvs will also go off and get camps. and yes they can clear camps they are slow at it so if they try to sneak a camp and the enemy team rotates to it, you get 1) free camp 2) dead sylv so now the team has to clean up her mess short handed.

Drafting sylv on Garden terror (old or new) isn't as effective because the terror does what sylv does (shut down buildings) if you win but if you loose she doesn't clear the terror that much faster that assassins with better health pools and damage. Same with Cursed Hollow, she the curse does what she does to ALL of the building but she doesn't clear them any other assassins. if you loose the curse she doesn't do much to defend compared to Raynor or other assassins.
im lvl 70 with her and most games i wreck with her while she could use some hp buffs all said she suffers from lack of dmg and team fight presence also her early talents are pretty garbage lvl 1,4 are pretty miniscule and really dont help her do much in teamfights or lane pushing after lvl 7 she gets access to her better talents ...well 2 because no one ever picks exploding arrows id say wailing arrow would be good if they reduced it to 60 s instead of the 80 s and the 2.5 silence also you have to aim it right and the right time in team fights to get the best use out of it after 13 with windrunner and 16 with shadows embrace she becomes a monster burst killing machine if you can land all her withering arrows +the 25% armor reducting sends most heros outside of tanks from 100-60-50% if you land them all but you got to pick the right moment because teams always gun for her and most players know she has a small health pool hell even olaf and murky with big kuhna have more health than her sylvanas other than that i still think she is solid she just isnt braindead easymode ie: genji, raynor, lunara
I don't mind her. I just don't like people picking her when the comp already lacks damage.

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