Why are we working on heroes that are not in the absolute worst shape?

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Yay...buffs to a healer that is not even in the bottom tier of healers....what the hell are we doin here guys?
they nerfed her trait and removed the healing from emerald wind
09/17/2018 11:56 AMPosted by Candy
they nerfed her trait and removed the healing from emerald wind

What? Have you even seen the changes? That's not what they did, lol.
09/17/2018 11:56 AMPosted by Candy
they nerfed her trait and removed the healing from emerald wind
What did you expect considering she gets extra wave for hero hit with inner Q?

Secondly, passive healing from Emerald Wind has been added to incentivize picking it. Before the change it was rarely picked.
she was outdone by most heroes and healers...

same with kerigan...

just to burst your bubble (not defending blizzard wich i would certainly do not) it's not just pick a hero and start balancing... every minute thing you change in game like these will snowball out off controll verry fast.

so there's the why(s)
09/17/2018 12:08 PMPosted by ReactionTime
09/17/2018 11:56 AMPosted by Candy
they nerfed her trait and removed the healing from emerald wind

What? Have you even seen the changes? That's not what they did, lol.


"Heal amount reduced from 115 to 105"
09/17/2018 12:18 PMPosted by Candy
09/17/2018 12:08 PMPosted by ReactionTime
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What? Have you even seen the changes? That's not what they did, lol.


"Heal amount reduced from 115 to 105"


Oh man, you need to learn how to interpret changes better.

Yeah, a drop in 10 healing, but with her Q, she could now potentially heal for like 60% more based on skill entirely, plus has a self-stasis, oh yeah, and she also has an AOE cleanse...I am not sure how you see this combo as anything relevant to a nerf....

but that's not even the point...the point is they're working on heroes that aren't even the worst right now. probius, tassadar, sylvanas, tyrael and many others....they all need work WAY before BW did...and it's been far longer do.....sure they have their niches and can play OKAY, but they just dont have the same impact overall.
WHY ARE WE WORKING ON HEROES THAT ARE NOT IN THE ABSOLUTE WORST SHAPE?


To avoid them getting there. Prevention is more efficient than reaction.
To be honest, saying "heroes who are in the worst possible shape" is very subjective. Ite very common on the forums for people to scream "this hero sucks" but quite often the accurate statement would be "this hero sucks because I'm not playing them correct/to their fullest ability".

Reworks are determined based on 1) stats (played/popularity % and win %), 2) state of other heroes in same role and 3) pro players opinions/game play
09/17/2018 12:29 PMPosted by ReactionTime

probius, tassadar, sylvanas, tyrael and many others....they all need work WAY before BW did...and it's been far longer do.....sure they have their niches and can play OKAY, but they just dont have the same impact overall.


For me only one of those really needs a rework.
You are all welcome to apply for a job interview.
Kerrigan was pretty doodoo and Brightwing has been slowly seeing less and less usage as her low healing output moved her to the bottom tier of supports.

They already made Tyrande good so making Brightwing viable seems like a logical step.
Poor Tassadar. Give him some love, please.
09/17/2018 12:29 PMPosted by ReactionTime
09/17/2018 12:18 PMPosted by Candy
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"Heal amount reduced from 115 to 105"


Oh man, you need to learn how to interpret changes better.

Yeah, a drop in 10 healing, but with her Q, she could now potentially heal for like 60% more based on skill entirely, plus has a self-stasis, oh yeah, and she also has an AOE cleanse...I am not sure how you see this combo as anything relevant to a nerf....

but that's not even the point...the point is they're working on heroes that aren't even the worst right now. probius, tassadar, sylvanas, tyrael and many others....they all need work WAY before BW did...and it's been far longer do.....sure they have their niches and can play OKAY, but they just dont have the same impact overall.

Also, you know, Emerald Winds is her push heroic. Not her heal passive, that’s Soothing Mist.
I don’t think they’ve said anything about changing that heroic.
Also: This is a minor rework. Some numbers changes, a few minor skill alterations.
Someone like Tassadar is going to need a major rework given his position as either worthless or incredibly OP, no in between.

This takes way less time and testing compared to a full rework, and these two have been on the ‘Needs an update’ list for far longer than the other ‘Worst heroes in the game’ candidates. Except for TLV, but they are a whole different level of problematic.
Brightwing was kind of designed more for "early HOTS", and they want to bring her up to date with the current meta. its not really surprising.

The focus on Supports= healers in this game kind of means that supports tend to have to function, on some level, similiarly in purpose to work. (much like how symmetra in Overwatch was problematic at launch due to not following the "Support = healer" paradigm there)
They nerfed BW?

Better nerf Chen just to be safe!

/s
09/17/2018 03:26 PMPosted by Dagordae
Also: This is a minor rework. Some numbers changes, a few minor skill alterations.
Someone like Tassadar is going to need a major rework given his position as either worthless or incredibly OP, no in between.

This takes way less time and testing compared to a full rework, and these two have been on the ‘Needs an update’ list for far longer than the other ‘Worst heroes in the game’ candidates. Except for TLV, but they are a whole different level of problematic.


No, tassadar will not need a full rework again. His rework put him in an okay spot, but he needs a talent or 2 changed that either pushes him more towards a slightly more bursty damage, or shields that are slightly more spammable with less CD. Or even 2 charges on the shield instead of changing the CD...that might be more appropriate (perhaps a talent that gives him that). There's so many things you could do to him to make him more viable for the NOW, and not have to entirely depend on less than 5 other heroes presence in order to be even remotely useful by comparison to other options. Think if he had 2 shield charges, even if they were only like, 80% of the strength they are now.....he could give a melee assassin an opportunity for a brief second, to act like a tank and intiate a fight if they wanted to....think of like...thrall for example. If he had even just a small shield, he could run in and initiate alongside a tank or another bruiser...but without it, he can't do that unless he waits for an exact right moment. And then having another shield charge to either get that thrall out, or perhaps save your real healer from a focused attack....that would be rehgar-like impactful, but not overly nuts. Love thrall...would love to see him have more opportunity. He's great now, but with a combo like this, it could open up much more play style for many more heroes other than tracer / genji / mephisto style heroes with engage/disengage mechanics already built in.

Also, chen needs help more than bw did. big time.
BW is a bad hero and needs it.Some heroes are maybe not touched yet because reworks.
09/17/2018 03:26 PMPosted by Dagordae
Except for TLV, but they are a whole different level of problematic.


TLV have a niche. Don't give Blizzard any ideas, they are not problematic, just more situational than most characters.

Anyway, I'm stoked for the BW rework, rewarding skill for healers is great.
Also, the bigger focus on killing things to do better is really in character for Brightwing.

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